British Infantry Rifles

[James Langham]

At the minute this just covers the standard rifles, when I have time I will add sniper rifles, etc.

[95th Rifleman]

I must admit mate, I'm impressed! Good write up, well researched and the fictional bits are well written and make sense.

[Rainbow Six]

Nice piece of work - I particularly like the quotes in the sidebars.

Well done.

[Raellus]

Good work, as always, James.

[Rockwolf66]

Good Article about the regular British Army. I know that the SAS and whatever the 14th Intelligence company is now designated uses some different weapons.

For the 14th they use the

Walther PPK
Browning High Power(probably replaced by the SIG P226)
MP5K
HK53 short assault rifle
G3KA4 short assault rifle

The SAS uses similar weapons, but given that they are tasked with Direct action some things are added lile the M16 with M203.

Then Again this is TW2K and some things didn't happen and other things got put into production.

[95th Rifleman]

The SAS uses similar weapons, but given that they are tasked with Direct action some things are added lile the M16 with M203.

Then Again this is TW2K and some things didn't happen and other things got put into production.

The SAS use the modified Canadian variant of the M4 with the M203. They also tend to use whatever they happen to pick up so it's hard to come up with any kind of standard issue list for them. Generaly they will start out with a selection of M4's, LMGs and sniper rifles and end up with whatever they can find or need in the field.

In the 90's the anti-terror SAS units did tend to be more standardised, carrying the MP5 and 9mm Browning HP sidearms.

[Rockwolf66]

That list I posted is from a former 14th Intel company member. The unit was formed to gather intel on the IRA and thus their weapons are compact and concealable. in the TW2K timeline I know that they would turn their bag of tricks on the Russians.

You have to admire the dedication of someone who is willing to live inside a briar patch for a week in order to get good intelligence.

Unfortunatly for me my knowledge of the SAS is limited to some family accounts and some limited info about the SAS in Gulf War 1*.

*No I do not own Bravo Two Zero.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

In the 1990s the British SASR definitely used M16A2 (or Canadian C7) rifles with some fitted with M203s. One of my friends got his hands on them when the Brit SAS came to Australia for some desert training prior to Gulf War 1. He was fortunate enough to be one of the local troops assigned to assisting them while they were in Western Australia.

Forgot to mention, the M16A2(C7) were Safe-Single-Auto trigger groups and not the US Army's Safe-Single-Burst type

[Rockwolf66]

Cracking open my copy of Sabre Squadron, they mention the following.

Giat 20mm Autocannon(not used in the Gulf War because it wasn't fully tested.

Milan Missile Launcher fitted with MIRA

M2HB QCB

FIM-92 Stinger

M16A2
M203

MK-19

81mm mortar
51mm Mortar

M72 LAW

LAW90

M202 "Flash"

FN MAG


I know I'm forgetting some stuff but you get the idea.

[HorseSoldier]

In the 1990s the British SASR definitely used M16A2 (or Canadian C7) rifles with some fitted with M203s. One of my friends got his hands on them when the Brit SAS came to Australia for some desert training prior to Gulf War 1. He was fortunate enough to be one of the local troops assigned to assisting them while they were in Western Australia.

Very nice write up.

On the SAS weaponry, I don't know if the L119s would exist in the Twilight War timeline. US and everyone else's enthusiasm for M4 style carbines probably did not take hold to the same extent and in the same way, with M4/C8/etc being more of a personal defense weapon than a primary. Not to say the SAS wouldn't be running CAR-15s, Canadian C8s, or US M4s, just that I don't see them having a version tweaked to their requirements (largely driven by Iraq/Afghanistan) in the Twilight timeline (in either of them).

Forgot to mention, the M16A2(C7) were Safe-Single-Auto trigger groups and not the US Army's Safe-Single-Burst type

As described in the write up, wartime procurement was a mix and match of US and Canadian weapons. I think all the real world M16s in UK service (not counting post-9/11 stuff like the 119s) were the original safe-semi-auto fire control group. Does anyone know if they were upgraded to keep them compatible with SS109 ammo when NATO switched over and how/who did the upgrades Did they just slap A2 uppers on their existing lowers

[James Langham]

Good Article about the regular British Army. I know that the SAS and whatever the 14th Intelligence company is now designated uses some different weapons.

For the 14th they use the

Walther PPK
Browning High Power(probably replaced by the SIG P226)
MP5K
HK53 short assault rifle
G3KA4 short assault rifle

The SAS uses similar weapons, but given that they are tasked with Direct action some things are added lile the M16 with M203.

Then Again this is TW2K and some things didn't happen and other things got put into production.

14 Int are now the Special Reconnaissance Rgt.

Royal Military Police Close Protection teams also used most of these.

P226/228 is now on general issue in Afghanistan.

SAS etc tend to use the C7 and C8, they previously also used the Car15 (see the film Who Dares Wins for a good shot that showed this before it was ever officially stated).

I'll put some notes in on these for the next edition.

[Legbreaker]

Does anyone know if they were upgraded to keep them compatible with SS109 ammo when NATO switched over and how/who did the upgrades Did they just slap A2 uppers on their existing lowers

I know that the M16A1's we had over here had nothing done to them at all and we were putting SS109 through them. May not have been an ideal match of rifle and ammo, but they still worked.

[James Langham]

Very nice write up.

On the SAS weaponry, I don't know if the L119s would exist in the Twilight War timeline. US and everyone else's enthusiasm for M4 style carbines probably did not take hold to the same extent and in the same way, with M4/C8/etc being more of a personal defense weapon than a primary. Not to say the SAS wouldn't be running CAR-15s, Canadian C8s, or US M4s, just that I don't see them having a version tweaked to their requirements (largely driven by Iraq/Afghanistan) in the Twilight timeline (in either of them).



As described in the write up, wartime procurement was a mix and match of US and Canadian weapons. I think all the real world M16s in UK service (not counting post-9/11 stuff like the 119s) were the original safe-semi-auto fire control group. Does anyone know if they were upgraded to keep them compatible with SS109 ammo when NATO switched over and how/who did the upgrades Did they just slap A2 uppers on their existing lowers

In my campaign the current heavily mod's weapons are far less common. As stated above Car15s are more common (but still unusual) for the SAS.

The M16s were the original trigger group. As far as I am aware the weapons were never upgraded as they were phased out at that time as the L85A1 was coming on stream. They just went into storage and new M16A2/C7s were bought for those who needed it.

[Rockwolf66]

14 Int are now the Special Reconnaissance Rgt.

Royal Military Police Close Protection teams also used most of these.

P226/228 is now on general issue in Afghanistan.

SAS etc tend to use the C7 and C8, they previously also used the Car15 (see the film Who Dares Wins for a good shot that showed this before it was ever officially stated).

I'll put some notes in on these for the next edition.

My info is dated to the first Gulf War so it works for a TW2K game.

Generally the usual image of the SAS is guys who apear out of nowhere driving vehicles that could take out anything seen in the film Death Race. They might trade for some local info or maybe a few comfort items and any high value target in the area goes boom...Heck the destruction of high value targets in an area is usually how you know they are around.

[James Langham]

My info is dated to the first Gulf War so it works for a TW2K game.

Generally the usual image of the SAS is guys who apear out of nowhere driving vehicles that could take out anything seen in the film Death Race. They might trade for some local info or maybe a few comfort items and any high value target in the area goes boom...Heck the destruction of high value targets in an area is usually how you know they are around.

Depends on the environment, Europe will be more foot work and close observation as opposed to direct action (at least while airstrikes are available).