New Material for the Jackson Republic

[RandyT0001]

I would like to see more background of this "country". There has to be one hell of an economic base to support that kind of engineering.

It is unfinished and probably too long for a direct post so I made it a pdf attached below.

The Jackson Republic

UPDATE
The final version can be found in this thread:

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.phpt=4742

[kato13]

Very nice fleshing out of details. Looking forward to more.

[rob]

read through it

I downloaded and read through it, nice job. I really have give a bit of thought as to how much of todays' technology hardware would will still exist in 150 years from now. That said, how many of future generations will still be able to use the devices. Given that training manuals, courses, etc. are now digital, would not paper training materials be a better course Just a thought.

[mmartin798]

I had to think about how I learned how to use technology over the years. Most of the devices I learned to use I learned by example from a more skilled user. Using an AM radio, dialing a rotary phone, using a wood lathe, running and maintaining a high-speed copier were all done by way of demonstration. Very few devices have I only had a manual to use to learn it. Most of the time, the manual was used to figure out how a function I knew how to perform on one device was implemented on a different one if I could not figure it out.

But to address your manual question directly, paper is better in this case. But what would most likely exist would be a paper manual to bootstrap you until you can access the online manual. That was the trend in electronic documentation in the 1990's and is still the norm today.

[RandyT0001]

Additional Material for Jackson

Added some material.

Still a work in progress.

[ArmySGT.]

Minor Spelling point...... Garand....... one R.

Enbloc clips.... Loaded as a unit. Eight rounds per Enbloc clip. I don't see an indication of what is the Soldiers basic ammunition load for their rifle.

The Infantry basic load doesn't have a Rucksack or a duffle bag. Unless the web gear is like the WW2 or British style with a multitude of individual pouch and a shoulder bag.

I would divide the basic load like a packing list. On the person, in the rucksack, and in the duffle bag on the truck or in camp.

A Lewis gun is in .303 British.. The rimmed case of .303 is the reason for the distinctive round pan magazine.

Grenades....Any handgrenades... I didn't notice an White Phosphorus or Hexachlorethane (HC) smoke grenades or colored smoke for signalling.
The KFS is utilizing bullet trap style rifle grenades, assuming defectors from the corrupt KFS army would take what they have, I would think this Republic would be able to field the same, scaled up for 30.06. Smoke is vital to movement in combat, it screens your forces, and provides misdirection to the enemy.

The Wall seems to be a variation on Hadrian's wall. The effectiveness of that had more to do with legionaries station in mile forts (literally a roman mile apart) than being a physical wall. Those guards were formed from the three Roman Legions assigned to guard it.

Sounds like your centering the Republics military on the German Army's flexible defense. This typically means a small unit occupies a static fortress, redoubt, or trench work forward and in contact with an enemy force while the other two thirds of a unit can maneuver. It is a sound system; However, the KFS has several batteries of 105mm artillery. This can pin down forces in a static position, tear up a minefield, target cross roads, and make life miserable if you can't answer back with your own artillery or rockets.

A General Purpose Machine Gun..... The KFS can (and doesn't for some reason) field a 7.62 NATO GPMG. The Republic could be fielding M1919A2/A3/A4 GPMGs at the Platoon Heavy weapons level and in static forts. Machineguns dominate open ground, making one three man gun team plus ammo bearers the equivalent of a platoon on their own. Paired with another gun team in another position with interlocking fire and no one is crossing that ground.

Combat Engineers without a bangalore torpedoe In offensive operations, the combat engineers open gaps in enemy minefields, and wire defenses using these explosives.

Armor...... The KFS has it, and the Jacksons do not. The Jacksons "Relics" are not well defined. Armor is the battlefield bully that gets infantry onto the objective by destroying defenses, and killing other tanks.

The Jackson's have AAA though this isn't defined either. The KFS has the P-47 Thunderbolt which is heavily armed, redundant controls and an armored cockpit. Damned hard to shoot down.

The KFS does have total air dominance, can destroy any fixed forts, shut down river traffic, can sweep through Jackson's territory with V-300s, M2 Bradleys, and M1 Abrams. The Jackson's don't stand a chance and probably would have to do whatever the KFS wants.

[ArmySGT.]

For this defensive doctrine to work it need integrated Anti Armor, Anti Air, Artillery, with heavy defensive works covered by machine guns, behind a belt of mines.

Defense to be effective has to be layered with row upon row of defenses..... Breach one and start getting hit by the next one behind it, while being flanked from left and right.

Heavy weapons needs a 80/81/82mm mortar to effectively engage enemy forces using a wall, trenches, or a hill top for cover. Probably larger 120mm mortars in the Regimental heavy weapons section, along with larger possibly towed AT guns (Soviets field a 125mm AT gun currently) so there is enough punch to stop a M1 tank.

AAA pedestal mounted 12.5mm (.50) M2HBs in a single mount, quad fifties are good at the company level, something larger like the 40mm Bofors, and the 90mm AAA artillery are necessary to protect larger formations or fixed assets like rail yards, bridges, cross road, ammo dumps, factories, water dams, etc.

[ArmySGT.]

Politics......

Haves against have-nots.

KFS sympathizers

Abolitionists frothing at the mouth to set the KFS straight.

Protesters against spending on military projects.
Protesters against spending on immigrants.
Protesters demanding one language, history, or core subjects.

Protesters against military spending vs protesters for military spending.

Civilians vs militia in allocation of materials or bar brawls or travel.

USA nostalgic dreamers versus this is what we have.

More liberty vs more security

Smugglers vs revenue agents.

Anti tobacco, marijauna, moonshine, brewers vs freedom and self reliant types.

Work vs wage disputes. Unions and Union breakers.

Political parties and betrayal.

Criminal organizations. Drugs, sex trade, booze, weapons, ammo, women, children, outlawed books.

[ArmySGT.]

Hmmm solution to the KFS air force...... a tiny force of Korean war era jets..... Say F-86 Sabre jets....... salvaged from from a Air Force museum, memorial display, collectors, private air fields... 3-4 capable of flying and 2-6 that sit on the ground and train ground crews / maintainers.

This could meet the KFS P-47s in the air and whip them... enough to control the air over the Jackson Republic with ground radar and ground controllers to vector onto a target. Not enough for an expansionist campaign.

[RandyT0001]

Minor Spelling point...... Garand....... one R.

Don't know how I started to do that, never did occur to me I was spelling it wrong.

Enbloc clips.... Loaded as a unit. Eight rounds per Enbloc clip. I don't see an indication of what is the Soldiers basic ammunition load for their rifle.

Individual weapon loads are something I have yet to do.

The Infantry basic load doesn't have a Rucksack or a duffle bag. Unless the web gear is like the WW2 or British style with a multitude of individual pouch and a shoulder bag.

I would divide the basic load like a packing list. On the person, in the rucksack, and in the duffle bag on the truck or in camp.

Web gear is like WW2 but I will divide the basic load into carry load and stowed gear. (Any suggestions on the labels for the distinction)

A Lewis gun is in .303 British.. The rimmed case of .303 is the reason for the distinctive round pan magazine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_gun

"The US Navy and Marine Corps followed in early 1917, adopting the M1917 Lewis gun (produced by the Savage Arms Co.), in .30-06 caliber.

The US Army never officially adopted the weapon for infantry use[13] and even went so far as to take Lewis guns away from US Marines arriving in France and replace them with the cheap, shoddy, and extremely unsatisfactory Chauchat LMG[20]"a practice believed to be related to General Crozier's dislike of Lewis and his gun.[21] The US Army eventually adopted the Browning Automatic Rifle in 1917 (although it was September 1918 before any of the new guns reached the front).[22] The US Navy and Marine Corps continued to use the .30-06 caliber Lewis until the early part of World War II.[23]"

Grenades....Any handgrenades... I didn't notice an White Phosphorus or Hexachlorethane (HC) smoke grenades or colored smoke for signalling.
The KFS is utilizing bullet trap style rifle grenades, assuming defectors from the corrupt KFS army would take what they have, I would think this Republic would be able to field the same, scaled up for 30.06. Smoke is vital to movement in combat, it screens your forces, and provides misdirection to the enemy.

Individual weapon loads are something I have yet to do.

The Wall seems to be a variation on Hadrian's wall. The effectiveness of that had more to do with legionaries station in mile forts (literally a roman mile apart) than being a physical wall. Those guards were formed from the three Roman Legions assigned to guard it.

Jackson has lots of trees. Tree trunks set close together form a barrier for vehiclar movement. Putting the ditch spoil between the walls makes it somewhat resistant to cannon fire. Vehicular patrols of the wall are made daily.

Sounds like your centering the Republics military on the German Army's flexible defense. This typically means a small unit occupies a static fortress, redoubt, or trench work forward and in contact with an enemy force while the other two thirds of a unit can maneuver. It is a sound system; However, the KFS has several batteries of 105mm artillery. This can pin down forces in a static position, tear up a minefield, target cross roads, and make life miserable if you can't answer back with your own artillery or rockets.

The Republic has three platoons of 81mm mortars as auxiliary units. The KFS 105mm artillery is a serious problem for the Republic. Jackson is relying on home guard or militia units attacking theses units once they have entered Republic territory. Not a good idea but it's all they've got right now. Maybe calling in 81mm mortar fire if possible, though it is unlikely to be available.

A General Purpose Machine Gun..... The KFS can (and doesn't for some reason) field a 7.62 NATO GPMG. The Republic could be fielding M1919A2/A3/A4 GPMGs at the Platoon Heavy weapons level and in static forts. Machineguns dominate open ground, making one three man gun team plus ammo bearers the equivalent of a platoon on their own. Paired with another gun team in another position with interlocking fire and no one is crossing that ground.

The Republic has some M2HB machine guns but no GPMG. The Lewis MG is it.

Combat Engineers without a bangalore torpedoe In offensive operations, the combat engineers open gaps in enemy minefields, and wire defenses using these explosives.

The Jackson Republic engineers are taught defensive techniques to impede enemy movement using mines, booby traps, abatis, setting charges to create vehicular ditches, etc.

Armor...... The KFS has it, and the Jacksons do not. The Jacksons "Relics" are not well defined. Armor is the battlefield bully that gets infantry onto the objective by destroying defenses, and killing other tanks.

Yep. The relics are V-150's with 20mm guns and few rounds. Jackson is relying on defensive engineering and the recoilless rifles. They are building more to equip two platoons per company, infantry and militia, but it takes time.

The Jackson's have AAA though this isn't defined either. The KFS has the P-47 Thunderbolt which is heavily armed, redundant controls and an armored cockpit. Damned hard to shoot down.

See attached image.

The KFS does have total air dominance, can destroy any fixed forts, shut down river traffic, can sweep through Jackson's territory with V-300s, M2 Bradleys, and M1 Abrams.

Yep.

The Jackson's don't stand a chance and probably would have to do whatever the KFS wants.

Jacksonians are stubborn people and not inclined to be intimidated by just words nor inclined to submit after the first few battles. They know how ruthless the KFS is and are willing to die instead of submitting to KFS rule. And Jacksonians would be just as ruthless with KFS military and police forces. It would be much like the Eastern Front in WW2. No quarter.

But what if What if Jackson defeats the armor column attacking, destroying a couple of planes, a few tanks, several Bradleys, and several V-300's and survives, defiant How will the freemen and slaves in the KFS react to the news (And the news would get around.) What about those other small communities around the KFS, would they be embolden to stand up to attacks and raids by the KFS, possibly causing more loses

A direct assault would be risky. It would be better to isolate the Republic from resources and when triumphant forces from attacks in North Carolina and Ohio return, then attack from three sides, north, south and east, to crush the Jackson Republic.

[RandyT0001]

Politics......

Haves against have-nots.

KFS sympathizers

Abolitionists frothing at the mouth to set the KFS straight.

Protesters against spending on military projects.
Protesters against spending on immigrants.
Protesters demanding one language, history, or core subjects.

Protesters against military spending vs protesters for military spending.

Civilians vs militia in allocation of materials or bar brawls or travel.

USA nostalgic dreamers versus this is what we have.

More liberty vs more security

Smugglers vs revenue agents.

Anti tobacco, marijauna, moonshine, brewers vs freedom and self reliant types.

Work vs wage disputes. Unions and Union breakers.

Political parties and betrayal.

Criminal organizations. Drugs, sex trade, booze, weapons, ammo, women, children, outlawed books.

Tanks for some ideas!

[rob]

P-47

I have had a few thoughs on the KFS P-47s: Would not some loyal but 'enterprising' member of the KFS establishment use one (or more) aircraft for photo recon purposes Same removing the ammo for the guns and putting a photographic equipment or some type of under wing photo pod. Even designing non-droppable fuel tanks for extended range. Just a couple of thoughts.

[RandyT0001]

The Wright R-1820 engine that powers the Sikorsky H-34 helicopter (and the Boeing B-17) was modified slightly and put on a modified F4 Wildcat at General Motors Eastern Aircraft Division during WW2 to become the FM-2. The FM-2 Wildcat has less guns (4 vs 6) but more maneuverability and a faster climb rate than the F4F-4 Wildcat. Like the P-47 the Wildcat had a reputation for survivability, bringing it's pilots back after suffering heavy damage. The question is how well does the FM-2 compare to the Jug in a dogfight Both were renown for ground attack using strafing, bombing and rocket attack.

The training of the pilots has to be considered also. The pilots of the P-47 are part of the elite that is trusted to be pilots or have used influence to become pilots, not necessarily the best pilots available. Jackson pilots are probably more likely to be assigned and advanced due to flying ability than KFS pilots, on average. However, the KFS probably flies more often than the Republic due to a larger support base and availability of fuel.

It would be an interesting scenario to play out.

[nuke11]

I have had a few thoughs on the KFS P-47s: Would not some loyal but 'enterprising' member of the KFS establishment use one (or more) aircraft for photo recon purposes Same removing the ammo for the guns and putting a photographic equipment or some type of under wing photo pod. Even designing non-droppable fuel tanks for extended range. Just a couple of thoughts.

The best is to base the air frame of the P-47N, a special long-range escort version. More fuel, different wings with internal fuel capacity, more powerful engine, automatic pilot, homing radio. It carried 1266 gallons of fuel with internal and external tanks used, with a range of around 2350 miles.

Now for photo recon as you mentioned some sort of under wing store would have to be developed, as all of the internal areas that would normally house a camera is already taken. Any sort of under wing pod would have to be rigid as to provide the best possible camera stability.

[RandyT0001]

I have been reviewing some of the material for the Jackson Republic. I have decided to make some changes:

• Replace the Lewis MG with the .30 M1919A6 model. The pan magazines held too little ammunition for the weight.
• Add about eight to sixteen M116 howitzers, 75mm, 9,600 yd eff range, 3-6 rpm, about 1,440 lbs to address the KFS's 105's. Yeah, the 105's out range the M116's but they are transportable by the H-34 helicopters and towable by any truck at least 3/4 ton the Republic has.
• Going to add six to eight FM-2 Wildcats to counter the P-47's. It uses a variant of the Wright R-1820 engine like the H-34 helicopters do.

I am considering changing the organization of the combat units also.