FM DeCorba

[FMDeCorba]

1. I clearly stated that the castle should be left entirely destroyed and uninhabitable before I left, specifically to avoid the situation described. Given my characters expertise as a combat engineer and access to copious amounts of explosives, I should have been made aware of the failure of that plan before moving ahead.

2. I will sell my mine and my mens services to the local Govt. for food. I am also willing to trade heavy equipment for calories, but the absolutely last resort should be to fire loyal troops.
Hence, me and my men will take on first line duty for the common good in exchange for food and ammunition. If the council feels it does not need our services as an independent force, then we will offer to enlist wholesale, under the condition that we are not dispersed, but remain a single unit. The experience and expertise thereby offered should be interesting.

[headquarters]

1.No battle plan survives contact with the enemy .The castle is partially destroyed ,but the abominable neo -feudalists have the main house and some of the other buildings as well .Yes it is in disrepair.Much of it is uninhabitable.
Nevertheless-there you are .They have a camp on the premises,its garrisoned by a force of unknown strength -and they fly their flag from the remains of the roof as an even more annoying insult to your honour!!!

2.Eureka council have for a limited time only openings for able bodied young men and women to enlist in the newly formed 1st california Volunteers.

They accept you offer to enlist your unit wholesale on the following four conditions -these are non negotiable -

1.Officers above company level will be appointed by the council

2.the unit who will be renamed to 1st california Volunteer Assault Brigade
will not be stationed in Eureka proper .Nor will it have an independent supply unit ,but rely on resupply from the Volunteer militia supply companies.

3.You will relinquish personal operational command of the unit until further notice .Your new posting as an officer in the 1st California Volunteer militia will be
" Liason Officer " with the rank of COLONEL.You will be attached to your former unit ,but YOU will not lead it .Your 2ic will take this post for now.This might change when time and circumstance dicates and your devotion to the values of the militia are proven.

4.Your unit will serve primarily in the first line as scouts and a rapid reaction force .Since these operations are mainly on a platoon level ,the unit will be operating in a dispersed manner.It will remain under the same unit hierachy however.

The deployment will start in 7 days,form which date payment will start -in which time new markings and patches etc must be in place .Unit banner,insignia and awards are accepted as long as they fit in to the overall profile of the militia in general .

Do you accept

1. I clearly stated that the castle should be left entirely destroyed and uninhabitable before I left, specifically to avoid the situation described. Given my characters expertise as a combat engineer and access to copious amounts of explosives, I should have been made aware of the failure of that plan before moving ahead.

2. I will sell my mine and my mens services to the local Govt. for food. I am also willing to trade heavy equipment for calories, but the absolutely last resort should be to fire loyal troops.
Hence, me and my men will take on first line duty for the common good in exchange for food and ammunition. If the council feels it does not need our services as an independent force, then we will offer to enlist wholesale, under the condition that we are not dispersed, but remain a single unit. The experience and expertise thereby offered should be interesting.

[FMDeCorba]

1. I clearly stated that the castle should be left entirely destroyed and uninhabitable before I left

If I had had any doubt that there was even a foot of wall standing, I would have made sure it wasnt when I was done. This smacks of post-fact editing, and that annoys me far more than the flag supposedly flying from that hill.

As for the enrollment into the local militia, I discuss this with all my officers. Given the situation, my priority is to make sure that the interests (food, shelter) of those that have been loyal are taken care of. If they can agree to the terms, then OK. If not, I want an assessment of other potential sources of income.

[headquarters]

okeeeeyy.......................................... ........ .

"Fla-flap -the MacRae banner impertinently flies EXTRA vigourously over the battered ramparts "


I think I just saw this go down differently than you when we played the hurried exodus from your areas -we agreed to take this in a downtime mode rather than actual phase by phase -so on this condition I would say that I can stand by words here .The fuel and ammo made a nice fireball in your rearview mirror as you rushed of with the other refugees , so the squad you delegated to do the job were pleased about their work .(You did delegate this when you said -" I make sure that someone takes care of the move "

Your criticizm smacks of "everything my PC tries his hand at goes well regardless of the multitude of variables that could go wrong"-ism ,but doesnt annoy me one bit

It is the overall picture that is important here ,as you did ask for it to be handled "administratively". Also I hear no such critisizm about the events that turn out in your favour

However I find it a fun mission to play you going back to level the place 101% to the ground instead of its 82% burnt out rubble status.

Your officers agree to the terms as it is the only possible source of getting rations without taking them from someone who is in need or prepared to fight hard for them .(raiding ,banditry and stealing doesnt sit well with most apparently -deeming after what they say )

Your 2ic admits that it isnt his first choice ,but he and all other ranks agree in unison to resign their commissions in the militia and rejoin the regiment under your leadership as soon as circumstances allow it .Thie contract states that this cannot be done while on operations or in time of war -without written consent from Militia HQ.

A pair of Colonel rank insigni is sent to your place by courier from the militia hq.

A note is attached : "welcome aboard , Colonel."

You are in the army now.

If I had had any doubt that there was even a foot of wall standing, I would have made sure it wasnt when I was done. This smacks of post-fact editing, and that annoys me far more than the flag supposedly flying from that hill.

As for the enrollment into the local militia, I discuss this with all my officers. Given the situation, my priority is to make sure that the interests (food, shelter) of those that have been loyal are taken care of. If they can agree to the terms, then OK. If not, I want an assessment of other potential sources of income.

[FMDeCorba]

Fine. I adress my men, informing them of the decision to become the 1st California Volunteer Assault Brigade. The unit will maintain its established traditions and doctrines.

[I]
Your criticizm smacks of "everything my PC tries his hand at goes well regardless of the multitude of variables that could go wrong"-ism ,but doesnt annoy me one bit

Really, theres that REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM again. My criticism was aimed at the perception of a conversation that sounded something like: -"I want to make sure everything is completely destroyed and useless, no one shall be able to make use of anything there"
-"OK, your men make it happen" -"OK".
I can see that some misunderstandings can arise from this, I think however the GM interpretation in question came somewhat late, making it smack of "if it fits my storytelling needs, I will make it turn out that way, regardless of the impression previously conveyed to the players"-ism.

[headquarters]

Fine. I adress my men, informing them of the decision to become the 1st California Volunteer Assault Brigade. The unit will maintain its established traditions and doctrines.



Really, theres that REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM again. My criticism was aimed at the perception of a conversation that sounded something like: -"I want to make sure everything is completely destroyed and useless, no one shall be able to make use of anything there"
-"OK, your men make it happen" -"OK".
I can see that some misunderstandings can arise from this, I think however the GM interpretation in question came somewhat late, making it smack of "if it fits my storytelling needs, I will make it turn out that way, regardless of the impression previously conveyed to the players"-ism.

HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!







All I hear is the bitter rant of a man who has lost nearly everything and desperately tries to rationalize it by blaming someone else for his misfortunes.

The impression previously conveyed upon the PLAYER you mean .You decided it was like you imagined it when you said make it happen -but alas -it is always about the way WE imagine it -unless GM vs player imagination collides when it is the GM who has the last word .

You ordered it destroyed ,it was destroyed .Not destroyed enough for you Well ,the very men you tasked with blowing it up are conveniently lounging against a wall in your new (but less grand ) headquarters in Eureka .Say the word ,and a detail of marksmen with a promise of double rum rations will swiftly give you satisfaction and set an example for the rest of the troops about carrying out orders absolutely perfectly.

As said before -whatever you outsource to NPCs will be subject to GM discretion /calculatio as far as success goes .

I remember you outsourcing and me saying that it went up with a bang and burned festively .

As far as REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM in my arguments go -that is only true when you assume that your premisses are correct from the outset.

Which CLEARLY they are NOT.

Your men give a luke warm cheer to the news and slouch of to sow new patches on their tunics.

[Rupert Willies]

Don Quixote rides again

LOL

This discussion is so great!
I love it when Don Quixote is slugging out against the windmills..

I gotta say, DeCorba, lick your wounded pride, and suck it up (that didn't sound right!) This isn't one you're gonna win.

[General Pain]

LOL

This discussion is so great!
I love it when Don Quixote is slugging out against the windmills..

I gotta say, DeCorba, lick your wounded pride, and suck it up (that didn't sound right!) This isn't one you're gonna win.

hmm and this comes from the man who:" I'll retire ; my feelings got so hurt with the old character....humphtalk about licking his wounds....it's the GMs problem now...."

just kidding...not really

[FMDeCorba]

1. Obviously, I cant WIN a discussion concerning a Universe controlled by the other participant. Pointing out that a given situation perhaps should have been clarified at an earlier point should not be a problem in itself.

2. Clearly, the GM does not understand the concept of REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM, however adept he is at using it. It does not depend on anything being correct,it is simply taking your opponents argument and extrapolating it into absurdity, thereby turning it around. Its a good trick, but its a trick nonetheless.

[headquarters]

hmmf

1. Obviously, I cant WIN a discussion concerning a Universe controlled by the other participant. Pointing out that a given situation perhaps should have been clarified at an earlier point should not be a problem in itself.

2. Clearly, the GM does not understand the concept of REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM, however adept he is at using it. It does not depend on anything being correct,it is simply taking your opponents argument and extrapolating it into absurdity, thereby turning it around. Its a good trick, but its a trick nonetheless.

much like you did when you stated that the castle was destroyed for starters then.

Absurd .Utterly absurd.





see-just because you say it in latin doesnt mean that elevating your point of view to reason and the other guys to absurdity is more acceptable.

Our opinions on how it went down differ - by a degree.

Now-as for the discussion -I see myself s being able to see reason when there is some to be seen.

[FMDeCorba]

Our opinions on how it went down differ - by a degree.

Indeed, my point was simply that that degree became unusually significant. This is normally not the case in your campaign, which is perhaps why I reacted.

[Rupert Willies]

Now this is flogging a dead horse! The only reason this became a discussion point is some wounded pride. I can see why it stings; it's the GM's choice to hold out the poison cup, but your choice to drink it.
Most of us are in a strange way proud of our characters achievements, and all of us have had to feast upon a not-so delightful meal of camels..

Our opinions on how it went down differ - by a degree.

Indeed, my point was simply that that degree became unusually significant. This is normally not the case in your campaign, which is perhaps why I reacted.

[headquarters]

all done

lets move on shall we (as suggested by Willis).

[General Pain]

lets move on shall we (as suggested by Willis).

hear hear...

[headquarters]

come now, old chap!

Our opinions on how it went down differ - by a degree.

Indeed, my point was simply that that degree became unusually significant. This is normally not the case in your campaign, which is perhaps why I reacted.

Of course adding insult to injury makes for a fuming response - anger great .Annoying fine.

A little bit of a snare then , I hope to give the CHARACTERS SOME MOTIVATION as well as possibilities - did it make you want it corrected Well,the dastardly MacRaes are to blame -not me!

save it for the front line - let `em have it assault brigade style .Why curse the world when its there to blow up if you are dissatisfied



Yes - I find that the ruined and charred castle is no occupied by the treacherous ,illegitimate scum usurpers in teh MacRae clan a good story seed.
I ALSO find it reasonable that there was some slight variations in your orders and the end result .

so there .

But lets be done .