A Prime Base Survivor

[.45cultist]

I don't see how that really addresses any of the aforementioned issues. How can you be sure that they are uninfected And if they are, why not just put them in a decontaminated area of the base and have them keep working

And again, what about the infected ones who survive They get better and are never frozen... so why aren't they turning things back on and reactivating the Project

Automeds can serve as cryotubes, saving a patient for later treatment. One batch is waiting for a cure, the other is frozen for their protection without contact with other PB personnel. The rest need a reason the airborne plague spread. What if protocols were skipped while the hostage situation was ongoing but still some would escape illness. Still have a problem.....

[.45cultist]

Why


As that has already been addressed, I would point out that even with multiple diseases a 100% infection rate for that large a population is still very far-fetched. Most biowarfare agents have a modern mortality rate of around 50%, so even if you used 6 different such agents you would still expect 1 out of every 64 to survive even if everything worked perfectly.

The alternative, a superbug that kills 100%, seems really farfetched for an organization (Krell) that seems to advance through theft and not research. Heck, such a bug would be so deadly that an accidental release could literally kill everyone on the planet. Including Krell. Who would risk such a thing that had the skills to develop it

The Soviet/Russian labs didn't/do not try to weaponize anything with a cure.

[cosmicfish]

Automeds can serve as cryotubes, saving a patient for later treatment. One batch is waiting for a cure, the other is frozen for their protection without contact with other PB personnel. The rest need a reason the airborne plague spread. What if protocols were skipped while the hostage situation was ongoing but still some would escape illness. Still have a problem.....

And that problem is why I was asking what this solved - even if some infected were frozen or if somehow there were people in the tight confines of PB who were unexposed (how) then all that does is create more frozen people to be recovered, some of whom are likely to die and still lethally contagious if thawed without the right protocols. There should still be unfrozen survivors of the original infection.

Heck, if there uncontaminated people, why are they frozen and not suited up and operating out of decontaminated area They could be decontaminating the base and sweeping out all the bodies or at least playing dead til the threat had passed and then waking up PB2 or the regional bases!

[cosmicfish]

The Soviet/Russian labs didn't/do not try to weaponize anything with a cure.

There is a big difference between "disease without a cure" and "disease with a 100% infection and fatality rate". Most bioweapons lack a cure, just a set of procedures that can reduce mortality, but no one, not even the Russians, has a 100% lethal bioweapon. There would be no way to deploy it where there wasn't a significant chance of killing all human life, including the designers and deployers and the guys who said to do it.

[.45cultist]

And that problem is why I was asking what this solved - even if some infected were frozen or if somehow there were people in the tight confines of PB who were unexposed (how) then all that does is create more frozen people to be recovered, some of whom are likely to die and still lethally contagious if thawed without the right protocols. There should still be unfrozen survivors of the original infection.

Heck, if there uncontaminated people, why are they frozen and not suited up and operating out of decontaminated area They could be decontaminating the base and sweeping out all the bodies or at least playing dead til the threat had passed and then waking up PB2 or the regional bases!

The infected would have charts and be in a medbay, non infected might be wired into the recall system since they are sealed in the automeds and infected could then approach. If we were close with scratch paper to sketch, I could probably explain better. This is good to work out details, I wish I didn't flub my explainations.

[ArmySGT.]

Look at this from a different viewpoint: It is essential to the story that everyone in PB is killed but that the facility itself survives essentially intact. So starting from a blank slate, how do we kill PB

PB needs to be killed for the 150 year delay..... but, does it have to be intact

Can't it be permanently offline with a gutted ops cylinder

A few clues and the PCs are off to find PB2 or the highest ranking Regional base commander.

[cosmicfish]

The infected would have charts and be in a medbay, non infected might be wired into the recall system since they are sealed in the automeds and infected could then approach. If we were close with scratch paper to sketch, I could probably explain better. This is good to work out details, I wish I didn't flub my explainations.

Okay, this adds flavor but doesn't address any of the core issues here - any bioweapon attack should leave survivors capable of reviving the Project.

[cosmicfish]

PB needs to be killed for the 150 year delay..... but, does it have to be intact

Can't it be permanently offline with a gutted ops cylinder

A few clues and the PCs are off to find PB2 or the highest ranking Regional base commander.

A reasonable question. If PB is effectively completely destroyed then that is a pretty big change to the game and a huge blow to the Project. Considering the other obstacles, and the inevitable questions about what happened to PB2 and/or the Regional commands, it might doom the Project to being a quixotic quest with no real possibility of success.

[.45cultist]

A reasonable question. If PB is effectively completely destroyed then that is a pretty big change to the game and a huge blow to the Project. Considering the other obstacles, and the inevitable questions about what happened to PB2 and/or the Regional commands, it might doom the Project to being a quixotic quest with no real possibility of success.

PB should have been frozen and had a computer glitch cause the delay or too damaged by the sabotage. and use the module's base as PB 2.

[tsofian]

Okay, this adds flavor but doesn't address any of the core issues here - any bioweapon attack should leave survivors capable of reviving the Project.

I think I have the fix.

Krell was playing a longer game. He knew Prime Base existed. He knew the universal drug existed, or that some sorts of antibiotics or vaccines were going to be sent to Prime base.

Yes the bio was introduced into the base and it was very quickly discovered and isolated. The physicians at Prime were able to determine they had medications to treat those ill and prevent tramisssion to those who were not yet infected. The medicines had been contaminated with either a toxin or an array of biological agents (an assortment of viruses and at least two prion diseases. Maybe something of all three.) The doses were lethal, but not immediately so. This way everyone in the base got a dose before the first symptoms began to appear and at that point it was too late to do anything about it.

The base NBC systems worked as designed, the medical staff performed perfetly and Now we have 100% kill on base personnel.

[cosmicfish]

I think I have the fix.

Krell was playing a longer game. He knew Prime Base existed. He knew the universal drug existed, or that some sorts of antibiotics or vaccines were going to be sent to Prime base.

Yes the bio was introduced into the base and it was very quickly discovered and isolated. The physicians at Prime were able to determine they had medications to treat those ill and prevent tramisssion to those who were not yet infected. The medicines had been contaminated with either a toxin or an array of biological agents (an assortment of viruses and at least two prion diseases. Maybe something of all three.) The doses were lethal, but not immediately so. This way everyone in the base got a dose before the first symptoms began to appear and at that point it was too late to do anything about it.

The base NBC systems worked as designed, the medical staff performed perfetly and Now we have 100% kill on base personnel.

I like the idea but you are talking about a very precise bit of sabotage there. I think if you want to go that route you need to consider how it occurred.

If the sabotage occurred outside PB then it would take a tremendous amount of luck for this to happen. Someone who had access to the drug would need to somehow identify lots going to PB, gain access to them, and then poison them. And if they didn't get every single dose going to PB then there would be good chance that some or even ALL of the staffers would get untainted meds and be fine.

If the sabotage occurred INSIDE PB, then what happened to the saboteur

Sabotage raises a bunch of other questions that I posed in another thread, but sabotage in general should lead to much more losses. PB should be firmly in Krell hands, the Project should be in shambles.

As another question, if UA (or whatever it is called now) requires so much tinkering just to use, how did the sabotage go undetected

[tsofian]

It would be tricky. I am going to assume that the actions were taken before the war. Depending upon who Krell is he could have done this as his last act out the door. Perhaps he didn't even do this to kill Prime base but to kill the whole project. Perhaps he assumed that ALL Project members, field teams abd base personnel would get this vaccine or drug cocktail before they were frozen so they would basically wake up just in time to die. This would be a very Krell thing to do. He was proabably pissed to no end that the teams he captured were not infected with the trajan horse. At that point he may have guessed that if the tricked out vaccine had not been destroyed it was at the Bases. He would give his guys doses of the real vaccine and then infect every captured Morrow Project Member with it and see what happened. They probably put some sort of tracking device on the infected people to see where they went. This would be quickly spotted and removed by standard protocals before the victims go anywhere near any base entrance, but would add to the concern in Prime. It would now be obvious that they were facing a prepared tech savvy enemy with some serious resources.

I think the refugee camp idea works fairly well. I would put it down on the valley floor though and the base is accessed through the long tunnel from the fake town ot paper recycling facility or whatever.

The colony is placed fairly close to the entrance, maybe a few hundred yards. The hostage/vector plan goes as in the book. The Krell do have a bomb. It was a variable yield weapon. The trapped Prime Base member, knowing the base could take the results (since it is ten plus miles away and under a lot of rock and such) dials up the bomb to maximum yield and detonates it.

This leads to a large crater which should be right over where Prime Base was thought to be. The follow on Krell teams find this much larger crater (filled with water) and absolutely no other evidence that Prime Base exists.

Krell's force keep a watchful eye out for any Morrow Team activations. For fifty years they keep a strict lookout for Morrow radio Traffic, for multiple team activations or for anything else that would indicate the Prime Base had survived and was functioning on sone level. During this period Krell teams cross and recross the area in which they believed the base was located. Heck to be certain they may pop a couple of other nukes or whatever.

In any case the Krell organization is absolutely certain that Prime Base was destroyed. After 150 years without the MP waking up except by internal means (see my post on that) they have no reason to suspect Prime wasn't effectively destroyed 3 years after the big OOPS.

[stormlion1]

Oh I can see a survivor or two. I just don't see them remaining sane.

[tsofian]

That was sort of my initial idea

[cosmicfish]

It would be tricky. I am going to assume that the actions were taken before the war. Depending upon who Krell is he could have done this as his last act out the door. Perhaps he didn't even do this to kill Prime base but to kill the whole project. Perhaps he assumed that ALL Project members, field teams abd base personnel would get this vaccine or drug cocktail before they were frozen so they would basically wake up just in time to die. This would be a very Krell thing to do. He was proabably pissed to no end that the teams he captured were not infected with the trajan horse. At that point he may have guessed that if the tricked out vaccine had not been destroyed it was at the Bases.

I am confused - only a fraction of the UA is tainted but it just happens to be the fraction that is used by all the members of PB And Krell decides that if his miniscule sampling of captured Project personnel didn't get it, that it must be at the national HQ Why would he assume that at all

He would give his guys doses of the real vaccine and then infect every captured Morrow Project Member with it and see what happened. They probably put some sort of tracking device on the infected people to see where they went. This would be quickly spotted and removed by standard protocals before the victims go anywhere near any base entrance, but would add to the concern in Prime. It would now be obvious that they were facing a prepared tech savvy enemy with some serious resources.

I genuinely have no idea what you are saying here. If UA has to be tuned to the person and the disease by a skilled medic with specific gear, how is Krell using it as anything other than a straight poison at all