Resistweave Cloth Coveralls

[dragoon500ly]

Always had issues with a set of armor/NBC coveralls as daily wear. Wear and tear will always leave the NBC side compromised when you must need it, and as anyone's who has spent any time at MOPP Level 3 can tell you, it is hot, sweaty, and damned uncomfortable to spend the day in.

I go with a set of BDUs in resist-weave, reinforced with a vest and helmet when needed. Players are issued NBC clothing in sealed pouches for when it is necessary.

One final note for coveralls as everyday wear, when moving by vehicle over rough ground, living on a diet of dehydrated rations and chemically purified water, with some fresh local veggies and maybe that rabbit you shot earlier, your digestive tract is going to become quite active, Montezuma's Revenge, the Marine Quick Step, the Tanker's Trot, you get the idea. Now, just picture our suffering hero, wearing his coveralls, his web gear and weapon, unassing his vehicle, ducking into the local undergrowth and trying to get undressed for that emergency download...

[mikeo80]

Just as a quick note, TMP is full of technologies for which we do not have any current explanation. Is the goal in this thread to reduce resistweave to something that current science can at least roughly explain, or is the goal to provide a characterization of the material that would allow for a more detailed usage Because the first sacrifices game effect in order to gain an explanation while the second sacrifices explanation in order to gain a game effect.

I have always played TMP science as a "Handwave" type of existence. I mean, fusion power, resist weave, lasers, Med Bed, med kit, CBR, cryo sleep, etc., etc., etc. Heck the whole idea of TMP working like a massive Manhattan Project is WAY out there.

So why play Because it is FUN!!! I am a role play geek from WAY back. (V1 D&D) I can imagine the shock and horror of waking up in a freeze tube and discovering that something went FUBAR. What do you mean it's 150+ years AFTER we were supposed to wake up!!!! And no Prime Base. And no support teams. And nothing else we were expecting. So let's lock and load, roll out and see what we CAN do!

My $0.02

Mike

[mmartin798]

I am good with a healthy dose of handwavium in my games. Black sphere generators, PGMP-13 and FGMP-15, and even the gauss rifle require generous doses of it to take items from Traveler. Morrow Project is a little different.
Here, we talk about technologies that are not just flights of fancy or on the fringe of theoretical science.

We understand the physics of fusion, non-Newtonian fluids and the like. I don't have a problem with a 1 MW fusion reactor that fits in the backseat and trunk of my car. I do have a problem with the neutrons from a D-D reaction being stopped by shielding in such a small package. He3-He3 solves that and I use a great deal of handwavium in finding source of He3 and a fusion reactor to use it. Likewise liquid body armors exist and have some great advantages over Kevlar plates. A major disadvantage for some is being much heavier than Kevlar plate of comparable protection. Add some handwavium and we can imagine that there is a shear thickening fluid that uses advanced nanostructured silica particles that lock and unlock with shear forces that is much lighter and in a fluid that allow them to stay in suspension for 4 months. So now we have fusion power vehicles and resistweave coveralls.

Cosmicfish asked what the goal was and had two outcomes. My rationale is for a third. If something happens that is not described through game descriptions and is not something common, I need to have an understanding of the basics of how it might work to make a reasonable ruling. Because we all know what happens when a round strikes a rifle and damages the receiver. Gun will not function. But because I know a rifle is a long metal tube with a serviceable handle, if my player wants to use it as a club it would function as one, even though this use is not listed as a game effect. This is the kind of understanding I want with resistweave. Afterall, why not use a layer of resistweave sandwiched between leather on the boots Resistweave coveralls have AV B7 NB4, but boots only have AV B4 NB4. Real world body armor works best with a firm fit against the body. Too loose or tight and it sacrifices some measure of protection. Are the coveralls loose fitting or like a spandex body suit if fit matters. Granted, these questions have no immediate affect to any game I run. But trying to figure these kind of things out helps for unusual circumstances and I need to make a ruling.

[ArmySGT.]

Always had issues with a set of armor/NBC coveralls as daily wear. Wear and tear will always leave the NBC side compromised when you must need it, and as anyone's who has spent any time at MOPP Level 3 can tell you, it is hot, sweaty, and damned uncomfortable to spend the day in.

Yep, this should add a level of fatigue, a level of difficulty, and slow movement in physical tasks....... such as movement to contact through the woods.

In winter not so much, but come summer the TMP members are going to keel over with heat exhaustion in the first kilometer of movement.

Unfortunately, just like real life, this leans toward a tendency to drive a vehicle all the way to the objective.

[dragoon500ly]

Yep, this should add a level of fatigue, a level of difficulty, and slow movement in physical tasks....... such as movement to contact through the woods.

In winter not so much, but come summer the TMP members are going to keel over with heat exhaustion in the first kilometer of movement.

Unfortunately, just like real life, this leans toward a tendency to drive a vehicle all the way to the objective.

It's the little things that make a team's life so...interesting!

[bobcat]

one thing i would mention is that while most current MOPP gear is a pain to do any work in there has been significant improvements in what could actually be deployed. and while congress would never approve gear that would have to be regularly replaced that costs a few hundred thousand dollars each who's to say that Bruce didn't procure a working nanotech 3d printer or some such handwavium to equip his people with the best without making each set of coveralls a budgetary line item.

thread made from carbon nanotubes filled with a non-newtonian fluid could be produced in such and then tightly woven into fabric that would be in layers with some kind of microporous material that would neutralize vapor based chemical weapons and block biological/liquid agents. this could then be layered over something to allow air to circulate and moisture to be drawn away from the skin to keep the wearer more comfortable. add in decently made undergarments and you have a working set of CBRN gear that people can actually do something useful while wearing.

[dragoon500ly]

one thing i would mention is that while most current MOPP gear is a pain to do any work in there has been significant improvements in what could actually be deployed. and while congress would never approve gear that would have to be regularly replaced that costs a few hundred thousand dollars each who's to say that Bruce didn't procure a working nanotech 3d printer or some such handwavium to equip his people with the best without making each set of coveralls a budgetary line item.

Nothing wrong with a handwavium, PD can make it as easy or as hard as they feel comfortable with.

Still, NBC warfare is nasty, the protective gear provides little or no comfort, it's designed to keep you alive, long enough to leave the AO alive and keep you going until you can complete decontamination. IMHO, anything that gets added to the suit, requires additional maintenance, batteries, etc.etc.etc.. There comes a point when adding the latest bell and whistle becomes downright dangerous to the user. Better to Keep It Simple!

[bobcat]

that said though i doubt whoever settled on coveralls for this ever had to wear nomex coveralls in an armored car for any significant amount of time. let alone some kind of futuristic body armor/MOPP suit coveralls. i just have the teams wear BDU's made from resistweave.

[ArmySGT.]

that said though i doubt whoever settled on coveralls for this ever had to wear nomex coveralls in an armored car for any significant amount of time. let alone some kind of futuristic body armor/MOPP suit coveralls. i just have the teams wear BDU's made from resistweave.

What You don't care for MRE / T rations / dubious pogey bait gastric eruptions wafting up through your collar

[dragoon500ly]

What You don't care for MRE / T rations / dubious pogey bait gastric eruptions wafting up through your collar

HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I is retired, time for a young one to enjoy.

[bobcat]

What You don't care for MRE / T rations / dubious pogey bait gastric eruptions wafting up through your collar

if i wanted to be masked all the time i'd have asked for a CBRN billet at meps.

[ArmySGT.]

HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I is retired, time for a young one to enjoy.

Think of the memories!

When did I eat that What did I eat Oh, why did I eat that! Atleast I feel warmer! T-rat egg loaf is evil! Chili con Carne de Diablo! Three more days until a hot shower...... yay.

[ArmySGT.]

if i wanted to be masked all the time i'd have asked for a CBRN billet at meps.

You still can!

[nuke11]

that said though i doubt whoever settled on coveralls for this ever had to wear nomex coveralls in an armored car for any significant amount of time. let alone some kind of futuristic body armor/MOPP suit coveralls. i just have the teams wear BDU's made from resistweave.

That's what our games have always used, BDU style uniforms. Most of the time we don't even use resistweave, just body armor and helmets. We always thought that this was a game plot device to help the players survive long enough thru combat. If you look at it, the combat rules are pretty lethal.

I have been researching ballistic protected BDU's but they involve small soft armor pads covering strategic points of the body that add more weight to the uniform.

[Project_Sardonicus]

Interesting, one can see a lot of the ideas the desginers came up with.

Full body armour that can make even rifle bullets almost endurable, miracle handheld medical devices that make bullet wounds that would cripple if not kill most soldiers.

And even if not cripple certainly render incapable for months, which is pretty much the same thing if you're half a dozen adventurers in a hostile world on their own.

So if you're ditching the unrealistic armour and medical supplies what happens when in an encounter with Krell, one of your team members gets his knee cap blown off. Do you leave him with a rifle to hold the hordes off and a mess revolver for when he's about to be over run

Or does the doc do the decent thing

Makes for a much darker world.