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Why restrict yourself to MREs The French and Dutch options look quite attractive
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Oh I believe you. Considering the number of people I have woken who fell asleep on the shitter in the Field.Originally posted by dragoon500ly View Post
My personal fave is the hood of the humvee. Before sleep systems and bivy bags I had a artic bag and a body bag (nylon carrier). Totally scared the shit out of a guy in 1991 in the Iraqi desert. He thought I was, in fact, a corpse waiting for pick up when he came to our truck for directions and I sat up.
Slept on a pile a A-bags (Duffle bags) more than once on a tarmac to deploy somewhere.
On the deck (platform between the seats) of a humvee with my feet up under the radio during a looooonggggggg (three days) convoy while the truck was driving.
more than once in the old dogpile at the range because no woobie and just field jackets or gortex... Pro tip... polar fleece vests in black or green work under either and much better than liners.
What kind of positive modifiers for coffee, copenhagen, and pure hate for the living +5% cumulativeComment
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Coffee, Copenhagen, beef jerky and bug juice, all any real driver ever needs!The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.Comment
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[QUOTE=Project_Sardonicus;74426]Food is an interesting one, it raises one big question.
How did the project cope with this
1 Freeze dried rations to be made up with water. Water would not have been a big issue, project vehicles don't need fuel tanks so just convert it into a giant water tank. Freeze dried rations weigh about half as much and are far less bulky. Of course if a team member is separated from a vehicle without water becomes problematic.
My Response:
This idea has some merit. Freeze dried and tight seals give 25 years storage. This type of food is in my personal stash here at the house. I probably have enough for 3-4 months.
Problems, as I see them.
1) WATER!!! You MUST have access to clean water to prepare this type of food. This has been a major problem in many games I have been in. Per TM1-1 ver. 4.0, Pg. 164 each Morrow trooper has 6 liters of water storage. SO if you have a 6 member team, that is 36 liters of water. As I have read in TMP V 3.0 and v 4.0, these storage containers are empty on wake up. You have to find water NOW. Another problem with water is purifying it. Most games I have been in propose a bottle of 100 Iodine Tablets in each persons gear.
A second method of handling water is boiling. This is very effective but supposes access to fuel NOW. So out of the bolt hole you come. You have to find water and fuel NOW.
Another problem with water, the freeze dried food mentioned above. Each serving of Mountain House Beef Stroganoff with noodles needs roughly 200 ml of water. That means a liter of water can prepare five (5) meals.
The above example does NOT include how much water YOU need to live. You need about 2 liters a day. This will change based on weather, physical activity, etc.
SO our trooper with 6 liters of water has about two (2) days of water IF his/her storage containers are full.
2) Boredom. Each can of Mountain House Beef Stroganoff has 10 meals. The Mountain House company suggests that you use all 10 meals within 7 days of opening the can.
3) Storage. Each can weighs just over 1/2 Kilogram. For us silly Americans, about 1 lb. 4 oz.
4) Meal Prep. Each meal in the can needs about 200 ml of BOILING water.
5) Cleanup. You MUST clean your cooking pots and dishes at the end of the meal. More Boiling water.
In conclusion (Oh, thank God) Freeze dried can be done. I have created and/or planned around most of the objections in this note. It took a lot of planning and thought to get to that point.
My $0.02
MikeComment
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Originally posted by ArmySGT. View Post
How do they heat the the water for the rations they are issuedIs there an integral water heater on the MPVComment
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They will just have to stop at the next village and buy a pot with a silver dollar.Originally posted by .45cultist View Post
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That is what many of the teams I have played on did. I can see the logic of a integral water heater. You are running a fusion plant. Yes it is a cold fusion plant, but still....There should be SOME spare heat. OR...Originally posted by ArmySGT. View PostThey will just have to stop at the next village and buy a pot with a silver dollar.
A 120V/60 HZ plug in the vehicle to plug a coffee pot/water heater in.
Make sure you purify the water FIRST!!!!!
My $0.02
MikeComment
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Realistically, placing an eight person team with two weeks of rations with six caches, each holding another two weeks worth of rations, doesn't take into effect the planned assumption for the Project is a wake-up 5 years after a nuclear exchange.
Consider the impact of that event, the complete break down of the transportation network, outside of Mormons and peppers, how many people have even a month's worth of food stockpiled Local grocery stores have, at the most, perhaps a weeks worth of food...how many grocery stores are in your home town
But wait! We have small gardens and farms!!!! We can live off the land! We can hunt and fish, crisis averted!
Sorry friend, that nasty fallout from several hundred nuclear warheads is going to have some severe effects on the food supply. Basically, if the plants are not in a greenhouse, equipped with air filtration, it may not be edible without stringent decontamination, and how many survivors have the knowledge and the material to recon several tons of plants As for wildlife, at the very least, it will be as severely affected as the human population.
So, by year 5, food is going to be a scarce commodity. There is a very distinct possibility that survivors may very well be reduced to cannibalism to stretch out scarce resources.
Now, you are one of the Project planners, you have access to all of the public, as well as the government studies on the the aftermath of a major nuclear exchange. Do you really believe that providing a team with, at most, two months of food supplies will keep a team going in a nuclear winter scenario More realistically, the team is going to use their supplies for their own survival, let alone helping any survivors.
The reason behind providing the team's with significant food reserves is to give them the flexibility for extended operations as well as providing for supporting limited numbers of refugees.
Flame On!The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.Comment
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Per 4th edition all vehicles have a camp kit
NAME CAMP KIT
TYPE Camping equipment
WT. 21kg
UNIT OF ISSUE Ea.
COMMENTS A plastic crate containing
camping gear for six people
Crate contents:
Two four-person dome tents (4kg each) The extra
space is intended for prolonged occupation or gear
storage. The tents have large awnings, to create a
covered space for cooking or gear storage.
Two green eyeleted plastic tarps, 2x3m (1.5 kg each).
A spare set of poles & pegs for tent, plus bungees,
parachute cord, etc. to rig tarps as shelters, vehicle
awnings, etc. (1kg).
Water purification pump, with two spare filters,
good for a months use each (2 kg).
Lightweight multi-fuel stove (1.5kg).
Aluminum field cooking kit (Two pots w lids/frying
pans, enamel plates, serving spoon, ladle, strainer,
etc.) (2.5kg).
Two battery powered rechargeable electric lanterns
(1 kg each, runs 36 hours on one four-hour charge).
A 10 liter (2.5 gallon) folding water carrier, with
shoulder straps and hanging loop. It comes with a
pouring tap and sprinkler nozzle to rig it as a field
shower (1kg).Comment
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Very useful, thanks.Originally posted by dragoon500ly View Post
At 4 meals a day (for high stress/activity periods) and with an MRE massing around .75 kilograms that gives each person 3 KGs of rations per day. I think 6 months of food is a good benchmark, so each person needs 540 kg of food for that period. If this is divided between the bolt hole and the six caches that reduces it to a more manageable 80ish Kg in each location (per person)
That still means each team will be toting over half a ton of food around at the start of things.Comment
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Its amazing what useful items/kits one can pull from military surplus and camping catalogs!The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.Comment
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Strangely enough I was told the New Zealand MRE is made in Australia and the Australian MRE is made in New Zealand. I suspect a politician was involved
EDIT: Surely The Morrow Project fits its fusion-powered vehicles with a Commonwealth-style 'boiling vessel'!Comment
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as for the rations being made in different countries, it is military procurement, having worked 20 years in that field, this would not surprise me in the least, I would even expect that the Soviet Union would have a factory or two producing 155mm rounds for the U.S. Army under contract!Originally posted by ChalkLine View Post
As for the "boiling vessel" that's one feature overlooked in the layouts, I've always added a small hot water heater along with a water storage tank and a purification pump/filter arrangement....The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.Comment
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The V-150 of the Morrow Project is pretty jam-packed with all the issued gear, personal kit, etc. In fact the characters in our campaign start filling up the "tunnel" between the main hull and the rear door with "stuff" pretty quickly.
That said, for our current campaign there are a couple of conveniences:
The "non-Project" V-150 has fuel tanks in the wedge-shaped bow. These are inconveniently shaped and placed for non-liquid storage, so in the Project there are two water tanks in the bow; one for potable water, one for unfiltered water; the two tanks are connected by a ceramic filter (which has to be cleaned from time to time). Each tank has its own external filler (the original fuel tank fillers), and there are two taps inside the vehicle from the potable water tank -- one of taps has an "in-line" electric heater.
While food could be expected to be scarce after an Atomic War, presumably pots and pans will remain.
One point I notice in TM 1-1 (1st-3rd editions): "Each team knows the location of at least 6 caches throughout the country." It's not clear that any one cache is only known to one team.
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