Morrow Project Uniforms

[natehale1971]

Yeah I remember that now. Sometimes my brain blocks out part of canon I don't like

:shurgs: timetravel has been theorized by hard sciences, and was used in the book and movie 'Timeline' that showed how scientists discovered wormholes that created bridges to the past... I had always thought that was what Bruce E. Morrow was doing. His psyhic gifts allowed him to be nautrally drawn to those wormholes and use them to travel back and forth in time. And would allow for the 'floating' date of the TEOTWAWKI since the Council for Tomorrow would be doing things to prepare for it, and subconcously do things that would postpone the TEOTWAWKI. While still showing that they hadn't adverted it, just postponed it.

[kato13]

:shurgs: timetravel has been theorized by hard sciences, and was used in the book and movie 'Timeline' that showed how scientists discovered wormholes that created bridges to the past... I had always thought that was what Bruce E. Morrow was doing. His psyhic gifts allowed him to be nautrally drawn to those wormholes and use them to travel back and forth in time. And would allow for the 'floating' date of the TEOTWAWKI since the Council for Tomorrow would be doing things to prepare for it, and subconcously do things that would postpone the TEOTWAWKI. While still showing that they hadn't adverted it, just postponed it.

I know time travel is theoretically possible. I am actually working on writing a fiction book based on the concept. I just have always had a hard time accepting that there is no backup to Prime Base and if Bruce knew of the failure it makes that situation even more odd.

[natehale1971]

I know time travel is theoretically possible. I am actually working on writing a fiction book based on the concept. I just have always had a hard time accepting that there is no backup to Prime Base and if Bruce knew of the failure it makes that situation even more odd.

He knew that Prime Base would fail, and he fought hard against it. But the Council for Tomorrow overruled him and had it built... Remember how Bruce was given the Phoenix Team to smooth over any ruffled feathers over the overruling. I came up with the Combined Operations Group format as the lowest section in the reconstruction, and had described how it went up form there. I can't remember all the info since it was all on the flashdrive that was around my neck when i was in the wreck and i have no idea what happened to it. And the rest of the info was something Emma and I had wrote together. I narrated the entire structure to her, and she wrote it in a notebook that i had later transfered onto computer format. i'm still working on how it went fruther up the line.. but each level had a semi-permenant base.

like you said about the disposable bolthole was stupid, we had used the boltholes as their base-of-operations, and the locale of their largest supply cache with a years worth of food stuff and other supplies that they would be able to use until they would need to access their supply caches.

[stoner63]

Jeezus !! I am behind the curve !!
There seem to be so many details that I have forgotten.
One theory I had is that Prime Base was an elaborate decoy and that Krell nerved the wrong place at the wrong time.
If Bruce Morrow knew they would and was unable to convince the suits he would have a back up. Don't you think
I read a series of books on the LRRPs and LRPs (there is a difference) in Vietnam and they considered the Green Berets to be sissified but then again there primary missions were all different.
The LRRPs specialty was recon, the LRP were basically HKs and the GBs were supposed to organize and train the friendly locals.
Unlike the GBs, LRRPs and LRPs were billeted behind a chain link fence in the rear as they were not to discuss their missions with anybody else.
How does this apply
Well, for one thing they were issued camo uniforms while everybody else got ODs until late in the war and they were armed to the teeth because they were always behind enemy lines (the GBs not as much).
What's my point
I don't know, I think I hear my walking out dress calling for some more ironing...and I need to read up on my MP stuff as soon as I can get it out of storage

[Shotgun]

My uniforms are closer in tune with US military as my project is intermeshed with elements of the DoD. I do have signifigant advances in spider silk technology being rolled into the standard ACU. Though I expect I will have to come up with a custom dress uniform. I also did color coded berets but I expect you will have but more thought into it than I did to, so I just plan to lift yours .

any links on that synthetic spider silk
Is the the goat milk based protein mod, or a straight-up hack on the chemistry

[Shotgun]

Uniform canon, info please...

Resistweave Coveralls are a 'given' in all in print canon.
Check.
The stuff is tougher than chain-mail. [A.R.3]{one always assumed light rings, mild/carbon steel only, no high tech alloy, one overall temper}
Check.
Tougher than 'Nam era Nylon Flack Vest. {not so hard}
Check.

Has anything ever been said in canonical sources about how thick/bulky this stuff is. Given that no indicators in the basic Rule-set, OTHER than the fact that -nothing is noted- about bulk, and that Basic Kit includes a spare Coverall packed away... I've always portrayed this as being a little thinner than 500 grade cordura nylon and a good deal softer/quieter.
In other words, clothing weight, so one -could- have say, street wear tailored from it for an AP of say, 6 and it would be indistinguishable from say, cotton rip-stop. {Always wondered why the "clean contact kit" wasn't made of the stuff, esp. given MP -lethal- combat, and Company policy of "try not to die"}
Thoughts
I realise this is a wee bit off thread, but it's close and I don't feel up to "first Post, new thread, lookit me!" standards.

[kato13]

Resistweave is a mystery to me. That is probably one of the reasons I kinda bailed on it. I do include something similar as a spall liner on vehicles to up armor lightly armored vehicles, as anything as resistant and flexible as described would only protect against penetration not against impact. That is why I go with existing bulk items, Fritz helmet and dragonskin vests, but with material technology advances (Spider silk).

My thoughts on spider silk is that Morrow researchers were able to synthesize the required proteins from genetically altered bacterium. Kinda goes into the Technological voodoo common in morrow equipment descriptions.

Don't be afraid of going off topic if any OT posts get traction I can split them off into new threads.

[stoner63]

I can definitely get behind that Dragon skin (pun intended) Kato but I never liked the Fritz helmet.
I feel it restricts hearing and vision a little. There are a lot of other variants these days that are cut down versions of the original.
I prefer a simple pot like the WW2 English or German paratroop helmets for better hearing and visibility.
As we know, whatever is in the bolthole is what your going to be issued but a frozen operator can dream...

[Shotgun]

Resistweave is a mystery to me. That is probably one of the reasons I kinda bailed on it. I do include something similar as a spall liner on vehicles to up armor lightly armored vehicles, as anything as resistant and flexible as described would only protect against penetration not against impact. That is why I go with existing bulk items, Fritz helmet and dragonskin vests, but with material technology advances (Spider silk).

My thoughts on spider silk is that Morrow researchers were able to synthesize the required proteins from genetically altered bacterium. Kinda goes into the Technological voodoo common in morrow equipment descriptions.

Don't be afraid of going off topic if any OT posts get traction I can split them off into new threads.

No 'voodoo' involved.
The 'goat' thing I mentioned is an actually thought to GenEng goat milk glands to produce spider silk proteins
was wondering if you'd seen anything else on it.

[stoner63]

My God !! First the sheep, now the goats !! Is nothing sacred to these people. Just kidding, would you mind elaborating Shotgun

[kato13]

No 'voodoo' involved.
The 'goat' thing I mentioned is an actually thought to GenEng goat milk glands to produce spider silk proteins
was wondering if you'd seen anything else on it.

Yeah I knew about the goat milk protein, but bacterium can produce the proteins in larger volumes more cheaply if they can ever get the engineering right.

I had actually never researched it, but I assumed someone was working on it. And I was right

http://www.physorg.com/news122822094.html

[stoner63]

Very interesting article, Kato.
That type of science is what I would hope the "white mice" of the MP were working on back in the 80s. Do you have an idea of how old that particular type of research might be
That is to say, could this explain a lot of the "wet suit" style body armor that frequents the gear lists of RPG rule books
Here's one thing that I will never understand: armor that is skin tight may stop a bullet from penetrating but without additional external armor of a kinetic energy dispersing type the trauma would still kill or injure the wearer.
I think that is an outright denial of the bulk of any armor.

[Shotgun]

FUnctional Body Armour Theory

I'm going to lay down some licks, and -then- I'm going to spawn a thread.

The Thread, when it happens will be the acronym of this post, so follow along and jump on...

The 'look' of uniform/armour, has been well discussed here, I'm not going to go there, as sartorial perfection, projection of 'image' and all the rest is not my concern. {Here or in FUBAT thread}

I'm ok with 'Resistweave' in my Game. Given the nature of lethality in TMP, I'm perfectly -fine- with a everyday garment that everyone wears that is tougher than a 'concealable' standard BPV, -also- sheds blades and claws better than 10th C. chain-mail, and can be washed in a stream.
Compared to -safe as houses- 'cold' fusion generators that can run a small hamlet for 50 years and can be carried by one person, or shoulder fired laser bazookas, magical bullet proof jammies are a cake-walk.
The idea of layers of armour, not being allowed to, etc is an artefact of system, to prevent munchkins from getting over on sloppy GM/MD/ST's {whatever you call the dude with the screen and the dice and the ability to say "Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies"} and be able to wade into combat with the aplomb of someone who knows they are already cast in the sequel.
Layered armour is -how- armour WORKS.
NO ONE ever, any where ever wear 'JUST a Chain-mail Vest'.
The friggin' Scythians wore loose silk shirts UNDER their Armour and Clothes to -help pull out- NOT stop, arrows they KNEW would get through.
Human bodies ALL work the same way, more or less, weapons are weapons and do damage in predictable ways, and there is a practical limit to the size and bulk of what you -can- wear, period. Don't believe me, ok fine. Then please don't join the other thread. That said, I intend to discuss a couple of systems I have come up with in various games over 30 years of tabletop RPGing that max out what you can deal with and still be an effective combatant, based on personal experience with wearing armor in the Real World in -hot- weather and cold, while trying to beat the tar out of other guys, handling real guns and loads in the field, in and out of the military, and keeping abreast of the 'technical clothing' developments in the outdoor sales fields of retail, because I feed my family by being able to -sell stuff- and if I can't tell a semi-attentive customer why they should spend that -extra- $250 bucks on this jacket instead of a cheap-ass rain jacket, I don't get to buy one for -myself- to use when pay-day comes around.
That said, bona-fides and intent stated, new thread commences tonight.

[clivegh]

IBA and the basic uniform

For my campaign, The players all have the Basic Uniform (AC7) plus they and commonly due wear the IBA with Plates. Yes Its Heavy (About 20pds), But It will stop an AK-47 Round at close Range. When Layered with the MP uniform its a lot of protection and yes the players have taken a burst from a M60 at 8 meters and lived. IT broke a rib, stunned the player, Broke the IBA ceramic chest plate, and made a mess of his uniform, but he lived.

I always thought if the MP trained and froze teams, they can afford $2000 body Armour.

The Biggest issues for the teams have been the weight. Its a killer when its hot and there carrying the 80 pds of the Basic Load, but considering a Crossbow Bolt is EF12, the teams put up with it.

Also The Hit chart means players are always getting hit in the legs and arms so the IBA does nothing for the players. The AC7 Basic Uniform helps but does not stop a Bow (EF10 to 14).

I use modern (2010) Us military uniforms made from MP Resistoweave. The Team is in the High Desert so they are all in the desert Tan. IT just makes sense to have teams look like modern military as local government would much more likely work with them if they act like US military forces.

Considering they are equipped like us soldiers, the might as well look like them with MP Badges.

[natehale1971]

For my campaign, The players all have the Basic Uniform (AC7) plus they and commonly due wear the IBA with Plates. Yes Its Heavy (About 20pds), But It will stop an AK-47 Round at close Range. When Layered with the MP uniform its a lot of protection and yes the players have taken a burst from a M60 at 8 meters and lived. IT broke a rib, stunned the player, Broke the IBA ceramic chest plate, and made a mess of his uniform, but he lived.

I always thought if the MP trained and froze teams, they can afford $2000 body Armour.

The Biggest issues for the teams have been the weight. Its a killer when its hot and there carrying the 80 pds of the Basic Load, but considering a Crossbow Bolt is EF12, the teams put up with it.

Also The Hit chart means players are always getting hit in the legs and arms so the IBA does nothing for the players. The AC7 Basic Uniform helps but does not stop a Bow (EF10 to 14).

I use modern (2010) Us military uniforms made from MP Resistoweave. The Team is in the High Desert so they are all in the desert Tan. IT just makes sense to have teams look like modern military as local government would much more likely work with them if they act like US military forces.

Considering they are equipped like us soldiers, the might as well look like them with MP Badges.

That's what i would want, a layered system for protection. but having the MP look like official soldiers could be seen as a problem as well... Having the MP appear to be a neutral thrid party has it's strengths as well as weaknesses as i've tried to explain...

I went with the base khaki color for the MP uniforms out of an attempt to come up with a color that would fit into almost every environment, with special camo parkas/smocks that would fit specific environments.

my idea for the uniform would have the base 'under armor long johns' under their uniform made of a light weight moisture-wicking resistweave material. then the standard resistweave pants, jacket / tunic (or combat shirt), ankle boots and gartiers / anklets. then you have the bodyarmor composed of a helmet, knee & elbow pads, a vest (with upper arm and groin protection). you would also have an opitional set of shin and forearm guards that could be worn with that.


Level I: basic resistweave field uniform.

Level II: basic resistweave field uniform, knee & elbow pads, full or stripped down vest (upper arm & groin guards) with the helmet as being optional as are a pair of armored combat gloves.

Level III: basic resistweave field uniform, gloves, helmet, vest (upper arm & groin guards, & optional thigh armor), knee & elbow pads, shin & forearm guards. also can inculde an optional ballastic faceplate.



I have ideas of different kinds of helmets that the MP would have... one of the helmets is based on the WWII and West German tanker helmet-beret.

You've got the half helmet like what US Special Forces wear, the full helmet like what our regular troops wear. I have examples that i'll be posting as soon as i can. i've been trying to get the ability to draw each of the different uniforms again.