Japan in Twilight 2000

[kato13]

IMO in 1996 Japan will begin cranking out military materials and Supplying them to China. Once the Korean peninsula goes hot they would supply that theater as well.

Japan produced military materials to support the United States during the Korean war which IIRC amounted to more than a quarter of their exports for a few years.

I cannot see them ignoring such a ripe economic plum of China if the Americans and Europeans are getting rich. If the US is willing to pay top dollar for supplies for the Korean theater I think Japan would be happy to take economic advantage of that situation. The reduced distances to both Korean and Chinese ports would make Japan's trade even more profitable.

This would move them up the Sov's target priority list IMHO.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I think one should not under-estimate the bad feeling that the Russian have towards the Japanese due to a string of Russian defeats during the Russo-Japanese war along with the disputes over several islands. Nor the Japanese feelings towards the Russian for the capture of those islands, the dispute still causes tension 60 years after the Russians seized them.

I'm not saying that alone would cause the Soviet Union to use nuclear weapons against Japan but it would probably make any decision to attack Japan a little easier.

[General Pain]

i'd like that

I own a copy of the Finnish Sourcebook, it's in Finnish but it's ok for me because I'm bilingual in Finnish and English and can translate the text, like I did with the bit about Japan. If people like, I can post translated segments of the book. It's just that I'm not sure how the copyright laws work, and am afraid that I might be breaking some laws if I posted them here.
[/QUOTE]


I promise not to tell if you mail me a translated copy or a finish copy...preferably a translated copy...I don't think babelfish will do so much good

[Legbreaker]

Well I don't understand your logic. On one hand your saying the Japanese constitution and general Japanese pacifism and apathy towards the military would deter a Soviet attack, yet on the other hand your saying that Japanese industrial centres, military targets and cities would still be attacked.

Of course it's nukeworthy. It's just not wipe of the face of the planet worthy.
There are far more important targets out there for a relatively limited number of nukes than attacking what may well be secondary, or even tertiary targets in an officially "pacifistic" country.

[headquarters]

anyways

Of course it's nukeworthy. It's just not wipe of the face of the planet worthy.
There are far more important targets out there for a relatively limited number of nukes than attacking what may well be secondary, or even tertiary targets in an officially "pacifistic" country.

destroying several major metropolitan areas as well as targeting industry and disrupting imports will send the nation into a downward spiral that will quagmire it in anarchy and horror for decades .

No need to bring it down to 0 meters above sea level I would think .

all imho .

On the other hand , there could be made valid points that if this and that occurred the Japanese would be spared by the Soviets - for instance if they renounced their tie sto the west and bared their throats so to speak in submission to Kremlin.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

John, I'd like to ask if you could translate the following please: -

"TK-Kustannus otti k$yttn hienomman nimen FGH (Finnish Game House). Se teki ensimm$isen pelins$ k$$nt$m$ll$ GDW:n pelin Twilight 2000, joka k$sittelee ydinsodan j$lkeist$ aikaa. Siihen julkaistiin mys kaksi suomalaisten tekem$$n lis$osaa . Twilight ilmeisesti rokotti resursseja niin paljon, ett$ Seikkailijaa ilmestyi vain yksi numero (7)."

The best I can come up with using Google Translate is: -

"TK-cost imposed a fine name FGH (Finnish Game House). It was the first game by turning the GDW's game Twilight 2000, which deals with the post-nuclear war. It also released two additional part of the Finns do. Twilight apparently rokotti resources so much that the adventurer appeared in only one number (7)."

While that makes some sense, it isn't clear enough to really understand
I got the paragraph from here http://web.archive.org/web/200710130...&theme=Printer

The reason I ask is because I am trying to find if Finnish Game House still exists, (they published the Finnish Twilight: 2000 books) because it may be possible to get their permission to translate the important parts of the book. The best information about them I have been able to find is "A small Finnish publisher from 1990's. Has published mostly RPG's, such as Finnish versions of Cyberpunk, Paranoia and Stormbringer, but also some boardgames, like Illuminati." from http://72.233.16.130/boardgamepublis...ish-game-house


Even if they don't exist anymore, I think under fair use you could translate a certain percentage (I think it's approximately 30-40%) without worry as long as the appropriate credit is given and you aren't trying to make money from it.

[headquarters]

As I said

the Finnish books have always been especially alluring as they deal with Scandinavia and other aspects that the core books do not .

Any material translated would be great - so good luck to those working on this - all of us appreciate it .

As for the rights - perhaps an agreement could be made.

[Rainbow Six]

Well if the Soviets respected Japanese neutrality why would they be using cruise missiles or airstrikes against Japan. And if you take out the space facilities your probably going to have to go after the nuclear programme as well and Japan's nuclear power stations.

I can't recall the exact quote, but canon makes it clear that several neutral nations are targeted by one side or the other during 1997, so neutraility in itself isn't going to protect any nation from nuclear attack. If a country has something worth nuking there is a high likliehood that it will be nuked...

Also, wouldn't the presence of US bases on Japanese soil seriously undermine any claim by the Japanese to be neutral They are hosting beligerent forces, so I would have thought that makes them fair game for Soviet attack, be that nuclear or conventional.

[John Farson]

John, I'd like to ask if you could translate the following please: -

"TK-Kustannus otti k$yttn hienomman nimen FGH (Finnish Game House). Se teki ensimm$isen pelins$ k$$nt$m$ll$ GDW:n pelin Twilight 2000, joka k$sittelee ydinsodan j$lkeist$ aikaa. Siihen julkaistiin mys kaksi suomalaisten tekem$$n lis$osaa . Twilight ilmeisesti rokotti resursseja niin paljon, ett$ Seikkailijaa ilmestyi vain yksi numero (7)."

The best I can come up with using Google Translate is: -

"TK-cost imposed a fine name FGH (Finnish Game House). It was the first game by turning the GDW's game Twilight 2000, which deals with the post-nuclear war. It also released two additional part of the Finns do. Twilight apparently rokotti resources so much that the adventurer appeared in only one number (7)."

While that makes some sense, it isn't clear enough to really understand
I got the paragraph from here http://web.archive.org/web/200710130...&theme=Printer

The reason I ask is because I am trying to find if Finnish Game House still exists, (they published the Finnish Twilight: 2000 books) because it may be possible to get their permission to translate the important parts of the book. The best information about them I have been able to find is "A small Finnish publisher from 1990's. Has published mostly RPG's, such as Finnish versions of Cyberpunk, Paranoia and Stormbringer, but also some boardgames, like Illuminati." from http://72.233.16.130/boardgamepublis...ish-game-house


Even if they don't exist anymore, I think under fair use you could translate a certain percentage (I think it's approximately 30-40%) without worry as long as the appropriate credit is given and you aren't trying to make money from it.

In English it's: "TK-Kustannus renamed itself into the fancier FGH (Finnish Game House). It published its first game by translating GDW's post-nuclear war RPG Twilight 2000. Two Finnish-made additions were also published for it. Apparently, Twilight taxed resources so much that only one issue of Seikkailija (a magazine) appeared (7)."

[John Farson]

I can't recall the exact quote, but canon makes it clear that several neutral nations are targeted by one side or the other during 1997, so neutraility in itself isn't going to protect any nation from nuclear attack. If a country has something worth nuking there is a high likliehood that it will be nuked...

Also, wouldn't the presence of US bases on Japanese soil seriously undermine any claim by the Japanese to be neutral They are hosting beligerent forces, so I would have thought that makes them fair game for Soviet attack, be that nuclear or conventional.

Correct. Japan can protest its neutrality all it likes, the Soviets (or Russians) will just take one look at all those juicy US bases in Japan and do unto Japan what they do unto Canada (and other non-nuclear US allied countries). Like others more knowledgeable than me have said, Japan will be nuked, and nuked badly. Like headquarters said, the Russians wouldn't even need to use that many nukes to wreck Japan for decades...

[Webstral]

Let's not forget that Japan is largely devoid of industrial resources. A little EMP to put out the nuke plants, and Japan's power grid will be a thing of the past. Tokyo will have to get it for the same reason that DC, London, Ottawa, Paris, Bonn, and Amsterdam got theirs.

Webstral

[Mohoender]

Let's not forget that Japan is largely devoid of industrial resources. A little EMP to put out the nuke plants, and Japan's power grid will be a thing of the past. Tokyo will have to get it for the same reason that DC, London, Ottawa, Paris, Bonn, and Amsterdam got theirs.

Webstral

Paris wasn't nuked but that's only a matter of personnal chauvinism.

[Webstral]

The Soviets meant to nuke Paris, but all the fluffy bunnies playing on top of the missile ruined the launch, thereby cauising the warhead to detonate over Canada. When the Soviets tried again with an SLBM, frolicking dolphins valiently battered the missile with their noses, causing it to fly to the wrong target--which happened to be in England. The third attempt came from one of the few remaining nuclear-capable bombers in the Soviet arsenal. Sadly for the Soviets, the Tooth Fairy had a lot of business in Paris that night and caused the bomber to crash (and the weapon to detonate) in Germany. The Soviets made one more attempt with an IRBM. This time, the Irish, who have long harbored sentiments of fraternity and brotherhood with the French because they both dislike the Brits, sent their elite Leprechaun Strike Team to redirect the nuke. The little blighters meant the target to be in southern England. Faerie magic being somewhat unreliable, the best they could do was to destroy Brussels. You could blame the Irish for the destruction of Brussels, but we must remember that the Irish only helped the French because they both dislike the Brits. So really, you need to blame the British--which is what we of Irish blood always do anyway.

Having failed so many times to deal with France, the Soviets gave it all up as a bad job and consigned themselves to living under the rule of the next Napoleon, who was certain to emerge in a France that held a (preventably)commanding lead over her neioghbors in post-war Europe.

Webstral

[Targan]

The Soviets meant to nuke Paris, but all the fluffy bunnies playing on top of the missile ruined the launch, thereby cauising the warhead to detonate over Canada. When the Soviets tried again with an SLBM, frolicking dolphins valiently battered the missile with their noses, causing it to fly to the wrong target--which happened to be in England. The third attempt came from one of the few remaining nuclear-capable bombers in the Soviet arsenal. Sadly for the Soviets, the Tooth Fairy had a lot of business in Paris that night and caused the bomber to crash (and the weapon to detonate) in Germany. The Soviets made one more attempt with an IRBM. This time, the Irish, who have long harbored sentiments of fraternity and brotherhood with the French because they both dislike the Brits, sent their elite Leprechaun Strike Team to redirect the nuke. The little blighters meant the target to be in southern England. Faerie magic being somewhat unreliable, the best they could do was to destroy Brussels. You could blame the Irish for the destruction of Brussels, but we must remember that the Irish only helped the French because they both dislike the Brits. So really, you need to blame the British--which is what we of Irish blood always do anyway.

Having failed so many times to deal with France, the Soviets gave it all up as a bad job and consigned themselves to living under the rule of the next Napoleon, who was certain to emerge in a France that held a (preventably)commanding lead over her neioghbors in post-war Europe.

Glad to see it isn't just my campaign that contains supernatural elements

[Ironside]

So really, you need to blame the British--which is what we of Irish blood always do anyway.

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