Enough rubble FFS!

[kalos72]

I just realized that they will have to clear roughly 50 square miles of rubble in order for my PC's to plant crops on Staten Island.

How many things can you build from concrete/brick rubble A rubble perimeter wall, around everything what 10-12 feet high Perhaps some really crappy one story buildings( anyone have images to suggest)

Land fill to make the island bigger Build a huge ass sea wall to make another port Dump it out to sea A wall around the whole friggin island

Suggestions

[Legbreaker]

Dump most in the river if possible, but be aware of how that will change the river channel. A flood/sea wall could be useful and of course it also doubles as a defensive wall.

One good thing is that the nukes that hit the city should have caused much of the flamable materials to ignite. There'd be a lot of ash, but that should prove easier to dispose of.

[headquarters]

salvage

getting bricks and some building materials for new projects should be possible.Not many brick factories running in T2k..

I just realized that they will have to clear roughly 50 square miles of rubble in order for my PC's to plant crops on Staten Island.

How many things can you build from concrete/brick rubble A rubble perimeter wall, around everything what 10-12 feet high Perhaps some really crappy one story buildings( anyone have images to suggest)

Land fill to make the island bigger Build a huge ass sea wall to make another port Dump it out to sea A wall around the whole friggin island

Suggestions

[jester]

Build a comcrete pier and breakwater so you have your own little protected harbor, add build an artificial reef too, so that only you know the route, or if its know so that anyone entering needs to go slow thus allowing you control and initiative.

One storey structures! Why one storey You could probably make up to 3 and 4 storey structures. Remember alot of the temples and other great buildings of antiquity were damaged and looted for their stone as building material for other structures.

A protected coral, figure enclosures 12 feet tall to hold sturdy animals like bison or elephants, imagine the steaks you'd get from those critters

A series of trebuches to use the ruble as a long range defensive weapon. Remember, siege in the Lord of the Rings "Return of the King Big ol stone throwers like those/

Make some raiser platforms like zigarots just for the hell of it and let the archeologists figure out their meaning 1000 yeaers down trhe line.

Use them as a matrix making hollow squares out into the river and then using them to collect the silt, this growing the island, and of course filling in the hollow squares with waste from your community and industry thus having a square garden plot of river silt which makes good farm land.

[kato13]

There'd be a lot of ash, but that should prove easier to dispose of.

Ash + Urine = Fertilizer

Yeah there would be problems with contaminants but that would be the least of most people's worries.

[Jason]

Reinforced concrete rubble is just a dangerous tangled mess, and not good for much until to use a torch to cut it apart. You will need a crane and some heavy haulers, unless you have enough fuel for several dozen torches running non-stop to parse it into pieces small enough for a crew of civilian workers to manhandle.

http://www.indygov.org/eGov/City/DPS...e-obstacle.jpg

Talking about all that ash has got me to thinking about serious respiratory illness as well as the inevitable blood poisoning from the innumerable cuts and scrapes. You might need to 'recruit' some more 'civilian workers'.

[kalos72]

I doubt there would be much reinforced concrete since the Island seems to be mostly, not completely, residential.

But that does raise a question...welding or cutting metals. Those supplies arent easily recreated...oxyacetylene are all manufactured products no Or the sticks they use for welding...

[kato13]

Or the sticks they use for welding...

An odd source for these might be School Auditoriums. I know both my elementary and high school used arc lights for their spotlights. We had boxes of them (maybe 400 total) up in the projectors booth.

[kalos72]

Just thinking about this further, rebar wouldnt be a problem as a simple charcoal forge can melt that down to ingots for use later. It would be labor intensive yeah but with half a million people in the surrounding country side I am sure I can find some slave labor.

I am thinking forges and blacksmiths will see a steady increase...

[headquarters]

Karachi shipyards

Ever seen those Pakistani guys dismantle a scrapped supertanker

They do it mostly by hand tools-in months the whole hull is gone - incredible.

Yeah ,these guys make any firearm in the soviet army inventory too-by hand .Probably some of the metal in those ships end up as guns in the tribal areas.

I am sure you could get stuff done by hand and the willingnss to accept horrible safety for the work force

Just thinking about this further, rebar wouldnt be a problem as a simple charcoal forge can melt that down to ingots for use later. It would be labor intensive yeah but with half a million people in the surrounding country side I am sure I can find some slave labor.

I am thinking forges and blacksmiths will see a steady increase...

[fightingflamingo]

My father-in-law grew up in Post-War Warsaw. in the old city, they rebuilt as much of the historic buildings to close to there prewar condition. The amazing part of this is that is was done from photographs, and recycled brick & stone used in the orginal construction. Although some of the bricks may have gone into different buildings than they originally came from.

So bricks can be recycled from ruble. Mortar, Cement, and Concrete can be recycled but the process to grind it up is pretty extensive, and you'd need other stuff too, probably not available in the Post TDM Staten Island on the scale you'd need, but rubble walls & berms would be a good use.
All steel could be recycled, and could be used if it could be resmelted in a mini-mill. It's already refined, so even if it's irradiated, might still be useful as structual steel, but would likely have to be refabricated in a mill do to twisting as a result of shockwave damage. There are a lot of mini-mills which specialize in recycling steel throughout the US.

Once thing you also could use on Staten Island to build rubble walls which you should have excess of are abandoned vehicles (private auto's, trucks, and buses). these might be salvaged for wiring, rubber, spare engine parts (to be rebuilt or utilized immediately), and the vehicle bodies could be used to construct core of a rubble wall, with concrete and other aggregates piled on top of them...

[kalos72]

Concrete/Cement/Mortar recycled As in grind up a slab of concrete to dust add water and presto new concrete Are we sure bout that Cant be THAT easy...

[Abbott Shaull]

I doubt there would be much reinforced concrete since the Island seems to be mostly, not completely, residential.

But that does raise a question...welding or cutting metals. Those supplies arent easily recreated...oxyacetylene are all manufactured products no Or the sticks they use for welding...

One would be surprise what one would find in the world. Especially when you think it wouldn't be much of it there to begin with.

[Abbott Shaull]

I like the direction this is going...

[jester]

Well, if you are talking Long Island, then you are talking ALOT of prefab homes, what were those preplaned homes and communities they made post WWII That was where they all started. And prior to that, alot of the ilsand was farming and swamp and march, I hear it was a haven for water fowl hunters as well.

Remember, most homes in the US are made with wood, some stone or concrete as the foundation maybe a few hqave brick walls but for the most part its wood. Some may have stucco as well which is kinda like concrete, but that is mostly a thin layer of no more than a 1/8 of an inch. And inside we have plaster or drywall/sheetrock, which again is pretty easy to deal with.