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  • #76
    Jeez I wish I hadn't brought up France now, it was really only a tongue in cheek flip at French pretentions.

    Do the French actually dislike Americans Well I'm sure most don't and any anti-American rhetoric tends to come from French politicians and is directed towards American foreign policy. But some definitely have a chip on their shoulder over America and the English speaking world, and I don't know if it can be blamed on a cultural inferiority complex or just plain resentment.

    My own simple theory is that many French believe that France and the French language and culture should have become the dominant force in western culture that the Anglo-phone world has become.

    Throughout the 18th Century France was probably the most powerful country in the western world and France was building a world wide empire even before the French revolution. It all reached its apex with the rise of Napoleon. Every were outside of Europe France was defeated by Britain (the America's, Egypt, India), and Napoleon was finally beaten by a coalition led by a British general.

    Up until the 19th Century French was undisputably the language of diplomacy and was the main language of most courts in Europe. That all changed in the 19th Century as the British Empire eclipsed France in international prestige and power, and English gradually began to replace French as the dominant international language. By the early-to-mid 20th Century America had taken over the lead from Britain, but English continued to become even more dominant.

    The rise of Germany in Europe only made things worse for France, as the French where being challenged and dominated by a newly unified culture who France had dominated for centuries before in Europe, but France also had to be bailed out and rescued by the same culture which had surplanted its own on the international stage.

    Persieved slights and heavy handed American foreign diplomacy, and British before it, haven't helped things, but basically I think its just down to resentment.

    Just a theory.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Targan View Post
      Perhaps you might like to have a look back through the posts of our regular French member here. From what I have read he seems like a great guy.
      Fully agree. Link to Mohoender's posts. Mo has been a valued contributor (even though like many members he is prone to long posting breaks) and regardless of what I sometimes sometimes may think about the French motivations or actions, I truly value his perspective, and if you forgive my presumption, his friendship.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by RN7 View Post
        MY own simple theory is that many French believe that France and the French language and culture should have become the dominant force in western culture that the Anglo-phone world has become.
        More than a little truth to this, I think. Reverse a few historical outcomes, and it could be anglophones complaining about the heavy-handedness of the French.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Gabe The Gun View Post
          The most spoken French phrase throughout history "We surrender" ha ha...............Gosh I cant stand the Frenchies.
          It has been explained to me that this is a direct quote from a TV show and was meant to be humorous and sarcastic. With this explanation (and apology) I hope we can all chalk up any confusion or potential bad blood to a simple misunderstanding.

          A tip to all users old and new is that any thing meant to be said with a wink and a smile should be presented with a ";)" and a ":D". Sarcasm and humor which are readily apparent in one's head do not always appear so obviously in text. Even my attempts at humor have sometimes been badly misunderstood by people who have known me on this forum for years, so it is not at all uncommon.

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          • #80
            Europeans and Yanks

            The US-Euro relations have their ups and downs .And there always be people that just ned to grasp a simple answer and stereotype others to fit in their view of the world.I think the opinions vary greatly in each country however and that the bonds from close to a century of alliance (1917-2010) are not easily broken.

            The French were very vocal and active in trying to oppose the Bush administrations wars and foreign policies due to their own interests and their public opinion . ( This is true for a lot of other Europeans too) .

            The French tried to rally support for their cause and the Bush administration answered with their plays .Soon the diplomatic row spilled out into the streets and popular dislike of eachother started spreading .

            War is a hot potato ,and the information age has made any black and white or right/wrong spin on any war impossible.Just to many sources to take perspectives from.Its more like grey and a little more charcoal now if you ask me.So naturally -feelings ran high on either side as national pride,principle,good intentions and several hundred billion dollars were at stake.

            Euro/US relations were at a low because of this ,reminiscent of the anti US sentiments in the early 1970s due to the wars in South East Asia.

            Since the war in 2003 relations have improved somewhat imho.The row that led to the discord has ended,and the politicians are making small amends by supporting US war effort in exchange for slight alterations in US policy here and there.French troops fight alongside the US in Afghanistan.They were in Gulf I too ( as were with the Syrians if you can believe it - thats right Syrian allies ).

            Some may still be harbouring sentiment against the other still.And there will surely be more rows.And the politicians will us etheir spin doctors to portray Americans as shooting up everything and the French or Europeans as doing didley but being "fresh" towards Washington.

            I still think the alliance will last a long time.

            There will be a break up or an end at some point -every relationship has one .
            History proves that it is inevitable .But thats a long ways into the future.
            Last edited by headquarters; 04-19-2010, 02:03 AM.

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