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  • #76
    FORUM not ARENA

    I am glad there seem to be grown ups debating here ,people who have the insight into themselves to know when to go PM /email and who manages to keep language civil eventhough opinions vary and the discussion is heated .

    Several posters here got a little hot , but I dare say you reeled it in satisfactorily.As a moderator I was busy with RL and not up to speed,and possibly I would have acted at an earlier stage if I had been with it .But when that is said I think you have managed to cool off sufficiently.

    But I would like to ask that everyone involved in the exchange here continue to ,or start to put their GOOD WILL into reading other peoples posts so that controversies that are not really there need arise.

    Lets keep it a forum and not turn it into an arena .

    As for the debate NCO vs Officers -well I have to chuckle a bit .No doubt both sides have a point in my HUMBLE opinion .( served as both myself)

    Now,remember this is just one guys opinion and shouldnt really be enough to rile anybody

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    • #77
      I disagree

      Originally posted by Eddie View Post
      We give them a lot more professional education than anyone else.

      I'm just saying.

      Your opinions may vary.
      Not that the US NCOs arent put through a good education - but that it is better than ANYBODY elses..

      I think this vary greatly .From branch to branch ,nation to nation and changing situations regarding funding etc etc .

      As you said -different opinions are bound to be aired about this one .

      All in my humble opinion of course

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      • #78
        I'm Past the Point of Caring...

        Originally posted by headquarters View Post
        Not that the US NCOs arent put through a good education - but that it is better than ANYBODY elses..

        I think this vary greatly .From branch to branch ,nation to nation and changing situations regarding funding etc etc .

        As you said -different opinions are bound to be aired about this one .

        All in my humble opinion of course
        Just to be honest, I'm beyond the point of caring about this. I'm not an instructor at any of the NCOA Courses, nor have I been to any foreign courses in that realm. I've talked to other personnel who were, I was told that in PLDC, I've talked to graduates and students of the Sergeants Major Academy, even talked to my old BN XO who taught at West Point for three years. Whenever the subject came up, I was told the same thing. However, I didn't care enough then to ask why or how. I can't answer it now. I'll publicly admit that and let you go on believing what you guys want to.
        Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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        • #79
          I am suddenly reminded of something that is repeated endlessly in British NBC training - "British NBC equipment is the best in the world." I have no idea if that's true (and don't wish to be put in a situation where I can truly find out), but it's been relentlessly drummed into me by instructors.

          I suspect most militaries have a similar thing with regard to being told that "our x is the best in the world", and most people probably won't ever be in a position to objectively judge otherwise.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by perardua View Post
            I am suddenly reminded of something that is repeated endlessly in British NBC training - "British NBC equipment is the best in the world." I have no idea if that's true (and don't wish to be put in a situation where I can truly find out), but it's been relentlessly drummed into me by instructors.

            I suspect most militaries have a similar thing with regard to being told that "our x is the best in the world", and most people probably won't ever be in a position to objectively judge otherwise.
            That is quite common, it builds confidence and Esprit De Corps and all of those other cool words. But in the end it is simply a tool to help your troops/organization build on. And honestly I doubt the instructor has compared every other "system" in use by other nations to really see. Kind like how I posted earlier,

            "doing/saying things because they have always done/said it that way withouth thought." In turn, it is kinda like being robots or simply parroting the training manual automaticaly reguardless of it being true or not. Heck, we all do such things at our jobs.
            "God bless America, the land of the free, but only so long as it remains the home of the brave."

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            • #81
              hehe

              Originally posted by Eddie View Post
              Just to be honest, I'm beyond the point of caring about this. I'm not an instructor at any of the NCOA Courses, nor have I been to any foreign courses in that realm. I've talked to other personnel who were, I was told that in PLDC, I've talked to graduates and students of the Sergeants Major Academy, even talked to my old BN XO who taught at West Point for three years. Whenever the subject came up, I was told the same thing. However, I didn't care enough then to ask why or how. I can't answer it now. I'll publicly admit that and let you go on believing what you guys want to.
              OK. Same

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              • #82
                Originally posted by perardua View Post
                I am suddenly reminded of something that is repeated endlessly in British NBC training - "British NBC equipment is the best in the world." I have no idea if that's true (and don't wish to be put in a situation where I can truly find out), but it's been relentlessly drummed into me by instructors.

                I suspect most militaries have a similar thing with regard to being told that "our x is the best in the world", and most people probably won't ever be in a position to objectively judge otherwise.
                The US Army landed in North Africa in 1942, having been told the same sort of thing. While there were some areas in which the US Army performed better than the Germans, even at this point in time, the Germans in North Africa were a better force. Experience counts for something. History has taught us to be suspicious of claims to the effect that our force has the best/is the best in any broad area. Sun Tzu teaches us to be aware of ourselves and our enemy, so it's important to make an honest assessment.

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                “We’re not innovating. We’re selectively imitating.” June Bernstein, Acting President of the University of Arizona in Tucson, November 15, 1998.

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