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[pmulcahy11b]

What happened to you friend in 1968 Granted, I was fifteen at the time, but I do not remember anything drastic happening.

Was she in Czechoslovakia

[Targan]

Ordered this rifle a few days ago.waiting for paperwork to come through .

Cut the barrel to around 50cm and added an A-Tac maxim can on it .
Putting Leuopld QR rings and bases on it and a Nikon 2,5-10x56 iluuminated scope with the #4 reticle .

Very nice HQ, very nice.

[weswood]

. I do have some with the M1a (civ M14). I would love to be able to find/afford the Valmet AK in 308. http://bwfirearms.com/GunPics/valmet78.JPG

What do you think of the M1A I've been thinking of getting one for about a year, but the money has been scarce. Then my favorite aunt died last month and left me a little cash (and yes, she was my favorite before she died, as long as I can remember in fact).

On the subject of muzzle loaders, my first real rifle was a CVA .45 Kentucky rifle. My father put it together, turned out beautiful. I think I was 12 at the time. Tall as I was, and I had to brace the barrel to shoot it, couldn't hold it up. We put a set of adjustable sights on it. I hunted with it until I gave up hunting. It still holds #1 position in the gun cabinet, #2 being Pop's shotgun that's been in the family longer than I have.

I can remember the 1st time he took me hunting, I was about 5. He had to tie me to his back like a backpack to climb into the tree stand, then went back down for the shotgun.

[Mohoender]

What happened to you friend in 1968 Granted, I was fifteen at the time, but I do not remember anything drastic happening.

I wasn't born but France came on the verge of revolution in Mai 1968 (at least apparently). De Gaulle remained silent for three weeks. Colleges were occupied by students and a general strike started. Army units took position in the woods of Paris but officers in charge made clear that they would refuse to march on the citizens. At a point, Students faced the CRS almost daily with roadblocks all over Paris. Shops ended empty and power was down several time... My friend, as many french people simply experienced huge difficulties when it came to simply buy food.

Nobody can say what might happen but the current situation might well bring us to that. France will go on strike on september 7. My wife will be on strike for the first time in 7 years and for the first time I advise her to do so. Sincirely, I would like to see 20 million frenchmen and women in the street (for the first time in 40 years, I'm thinking about joining the protesters). Fifteen years ago, my US teacher in politics explained our class that, in his opinion, France was increasingly similar to that of 1789 (French Revolution). I wouldn't be surprised if he is proved right.

[Mohoender]

Was she in Czechoslovakia

Everything wasn't happening in Czechoslovakia. Don't take it wrong, however, Paul. French don't know shit on what happens in US and your question is logical. At the time, US was more concerned with what was happening behind the Iron Curtain. And that was much more important.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that US officials kept an eye on Paris. Students and workers were protesting under red flags with their heroes being Mao Zedong and Che Guevara. What is interesting is one thesis on the subject. Evidences seem to point out that Moscow could have supported the french government against the protesters. In fact, that could make sense, US would have not tolerated a soviet take over of France.

[jester]

Well 68 was a very interesting year.

The French Affair,

Tet in Vietnam which struck a real blow to the North, but it also signaled the end for the US as a result of the media and their spin.

Czech Uprising

Then, we had assorted Race Riots in the US as well.

What else happened in other parts of the world

Interesting idea if we tied all of those events together for an alternate timeline campaign.


Race Riots in the US, who are supported by Communist organizations.

Indo China, Tet, and maybe other activites in and around Indo China. Maybe even China makes an overt move.

France going into Revolution Supported by the Russians

Greece deals with FARC, <is Farc the Communist group there>

Berlin gets isolated and the Russians move divisions in to posture.

The Czech Uprising, but it gets more support.

Africa and its proxy bushfire wars.

All blow up into a Twilight 1968!

[jester]

What do you think of the M1A I've been thinking of getting one for about a year, but the money has been scarce. Then my favorite aunt died last month and left me a little cash (and yes, she was my favorite before she died, as long as I can remember in fact).

On the subject of muzzle loaders, my first real rifle was a CVA .45 Kentucky rifle. My father put it together, turned out beautiful. I think I was 12 at the time. Tall as I was, and I had to brace the barrel to shoot it, couldn't hold it up. We put a set of adjustable sights on it. I hunted with it until I gave up hunting. It still holds #1 position in the gun cabinet, #2 being Pop's shotgun that's been in the family longer than I have.

I can remember the 1st time he took me hunting, I was about 5. He had to tie me to his back like a backpack to climb into the tree stand, then went back down for the shotgun.

You and me both! I just got a years worth of back pay from the V.A. for my disability. An unexpected winfall. And I have been looking at them and pricing them myself.

The local gunstore has a SOCOM II, a bit front heavy, but that will keep recoil and muzzle rise down.

I used to shoot a freinds standard GI model all the time. It fit nicely, felt good and was deadly accurate!

The question is, what variant to get

Are you looking at:

Standard, Match, National Match, Scout, Socom 16, Socom II

Then we have the barrel type and furniture to consider. Of course there are also triggers, sights and flashsuppresors and compensators.

For me, I am debating between the Socom 16 and the Match Variant with black synthetic furniture and a chrome barrel, with a national match sight and California Legal Compensator.

They are very cool with lots of accessories availavble! And you can use them for pliinking <if you can afford the ammo> as well as competion and just general shooting! A true piece of working art!

[headquarters]

agreed

You should, it's a very nice country with very nice people.

And not very expensive -provided you dont eat and live in the "tourist traps ".

I recommend Warszaw as an interesting city .Krakow is also good.
Poland has alot of nice nature and the Baltic coast in summer is supposedly very nice .
People there are a good sort -hard working most of them ,and quite welcoming .

[headquarters]

cheers

Very nice HQ, very nice.

I am like the proverbial kid in a candy store -exited.

[Mohoender]

France going into Revolution Supported by the Russians

I like all your ideas as always but I would have the French revolution supported by China instead. I like the idea of having the Russian supporting the French government. It would add to the general confusion and would place everyone in a tricky situation that could not have occured in the late 80's (don't forget Albania is a Chinese ally).

May be you can also add an early Portuguese uprising with communists taking advantage of the messy situation around.

Nuclear destruction would probably ne less important than in regular T2K but chemical and biological weapons will be more widely used.

[jester]

Mo, you are evil! Doing more to confuse the storey. I love it!

Oh, how about we add a uprising with Franco's Spain. They drop into another civil war. Hmmm, didn't the US have a "BROKEN ARROW" that year too <Broken Arrow, a lost nuclear weapon> That causes issues with the US and local population.

There is general unrest with the regime. The King is being supported to comeback. And of course the Communist insurgents. And lets toss in some Nazis supporting Franco too. That would be a big mess with parties trying to figure out who is who. Nothing like a 4 or 5 way Civil War to keep the PCs on their toes.

OH WOW!!!!

Didn't the Pueblo Incident occur in 68 as well So, we can add a flashpoint in Korea too.

[weswood]

You and me both! I just got a years worth of back pay from the V.A. for my disability. An unexpected winfall. And I have been looking at them and pricing them myself.

The local gunstore has a SOCOM II, a bit front heavy, but that will keep recoil and muzzle rise down.

I used to shoot a freinds standard GI model all the time. It fit nicely, felt good and was deadly accurate!

The question is, what variant to get

Are you looking at:

Standard, Match, National Match, Scout, Socom 16, Socom II

Then we have the barrel type and furniture to consider. Of course there are also triggers, sights and flashsuppresors and compensators.

For me, I am debating between the Socom 16 and the Match Variant with black synthetic furniture and a chrome barrel, with a national match sight and California Legal Compensator.

They are very cool with lots of accessories availavble! And you can use them for pliinking <if you can afford the ammo> as well as competion and just general shooting! A true piece of working art!

I like the Standard version. I'm a simple kind of guy. I'm considering that or an AR15, the M4 version with the colapsable buttstock. I've never fired the M4, and have never been real fond of the M16 series, but I like that collapsable stock so I can teach my daughter to shoot. That and there's several boxes of .223 at my aunt's house I may be able to con my cousin out of. She gave me 4 boxes of .380 last year when i griped I couldn't find any in the stores.

[TiggerCCW UK]

Well 68 was a very interesting year.

You forgot the start of the events leading up to troops being deployed here in Northern Ireland. This tied down a sizeable proportion of the British Army, and also there were rumours of Russian aproaches to support the ROI in forcefully retaking the North so that Ireland could become a kind of European Cuba. Apparently the US also hinted that to stop this they would offer some form of overseas dependancy to Ireland to block the Russians. Obviously it never came to anything, but it could have.....

[pmulcahy11b]

Everything wasn't happening in Czechoslovakia. Don't take it wrong, however, Paul. French don't know shit on what happens in US and your question is logical. At the time, US was more concerned with what was happening behind the Iron Curtain. And that was much more important.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that US officials kept an eye on Paris. Students and workers were protesting under red flags with their heroes being Mao Zedong and Che Guevara. What is interesting is one thesis on the subject. Evidences seem to point out that Moscow could have supported the french government against the protesters. In fact, that could make sense, US would have not tolerated a soviet take over of France.

I take no offense. Most Americans don't even know what happened in Czechoslovakia in 1968 -- as a country, we're remarkably ignorant about anything beyond the price of eggs. But you've prompted me to look up the events in France in 1968, so you've furthered my education. And, wow.

As an aside, I remember a few years ago making a reference to my nephew about Vietnam. He had no idea what or where Vietnam was, let alone what happened there. What the hell did they teach him in school

[Mohoender]

Paul, French are equally ignorant about USA. The main diference is that the French are usually convinced they know. History is too vast a subject to know more than a slim peace of it. That's one of the thing I like about this forum, I keep learning plenty of things and people are not shy when it come to correct someone else.

Lately, two friends of mine were complaining about how ignorant americans are when it comes to Geography. I played a little game with them.

I asked where Guinea is: they answered Asia.
Then, I asked them where is Timmbuktu: they answered India/Nepal.
Finally, I asked where Uruguay is: They answered that it was land locked in the middle of South America. At least they had the continent right.