Unusual idea - Penal units for Twilight 2000

[Muti]

Reading a book on the infamous SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger I was wondering if the idea to make some kind of penal military unit could be interesting.

My idea: an isolated Soviet or USA or German unit controlled by an unstable officer decide to recruit convicted persons from military or civilian prisons in the country where is stationed to be used as cannon fodder to conduct a suicidal assault or looting missions for supplies.

The idea of a ragtag and undisciplined band of convicted soldier sounds new to me.

Here's a Wikipedia link on this theme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_military_unit

What do you think

[Raellus]

It's a neat idea. You're likely to get PCs of a somewhat sociopathic and anti-authoritarian nature, though, so be prepared to deal with rape, pillage, and murder. That's really not my style but some players (and GMs) might enjoy that kind of thing.

I currently play a Latvian PC who joined the U.S. 8th ID as a scout-translator after "defecting" (i.e. deserting) from a Soviet penal battalion. He's actually not a bad guy, though- he's kind of a thug with a heart of gold.

I got the idea after reading about Soviet penal battalions in WWII and, as you mentioned, the Germans had similar units called, IIRC, punishment battalions. They were often assigned missions like clearing minefields ahead of the assault units. This was done by marching across the minefield under fire- a suicide mission if there ever was one.

[Ramjam]

Abit like the Dirty Dozen.

Send them on a impossible mission and promise them freedom if they pull it off.

If it was a Soviet unit I could easierly see a hard-line KGB watcher being attached to make sure they stay 'loyal'.

[Muti]

A bit of history...

In the Germany Army of WW2 the Heer penal units were called Straftbattalionen and designed with numbers like 999. They were mainly used for near-impossible missions on the Eastern Front for suicidal sabotage acts, clearing minefields and to defend or assaults frontline (almost lost) positions.

I saw a german movie called "Stalingrad" dealing with such things. It was the story of some men from an engineer battalion transfered from the Italian Front to Stalingrad and sent to a penal unit because their officer tried to obtain preferential medical treatment for his men pointing a gun to a medic. After repelled a Soviet assault they earn the right to return to their unit.

Life in those penal units was very bad. They were treated like beasts and if injured they were simply left to die. Anyway if a soldier survived his sentence he would be released obtaining all the rights of a "standard" german soldier.

If I'm not making a mistake in the Waffen-SS there were no Straftbattalionen. Exceptions were made for foreign units like the 29th Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (the infamous SS-Sturmbrigade RONA led by Bronislav Kaminski) and, of course, the 36th Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS "Dirlewanger".

The cadre of the Dirlewanger's unit was formed from military prisoners, POWs and criminals including rapists, child molesters, murderers and even those that had been commited to asylums for the criminally insane. The officer in command himsel, Dr. Oskar Dirlewanger, was a psychopath and a child molester but he obtained a PhD in Political Sciences and got really powerful friends like Gottlob Berger. Fortunately Dirlewanger was captured in the last days of the war and sent to a jail in occupied Germany where he was recognized by polish guards and beaten to death.

Here's a list of the Heer penal units (if you can read german)...

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Bewahrungseinheiten/Gliederung-R.htm

[copeab]

The main problem I see is that such a unit, in the T2K world, is likely to shoot it's officers and become marauders. I think a key factor is that such units will have to be deployed unarmed.

[jester]

NOT COMPLETELY!

Remember the Soviet system is a Traingle arraingement,

The conscript or unreliable units are the ones on the front for cannon foder. And the politiicaly reliable unit is in their rear as a reserve, but also with their guns trained on the unstable or unreliable units. The unstable/conscript units retreat the reliable unit opens fire.

This sort of thing was also done in WWII with NKVD type units who roamed the sectors and took care of "stragglers" and others.

So, why don't we have Zampliots and NKVD or similiar types of forces roaming around the battle field We have the ZOMO and ORMO and such but no Russian versions.

And why don't we have loyal East German forces with a version of the Stassi running around too.

I mean with such fanatical and indoctrinated groups running around with all the good equipment would be an interesting group for the characters to encounter.

Or, a small group of shaky Pact troops with a hardcore NCO and oblivious junior officer who still beleives in his cause bless those dilusional Lts with minds like children And a section of the politicla/field police who keep it all together with a mix of useless indoctrination and political speaches and the real fear of a bullet to the head.

[pmulcahy11b]

You could deploy them armed with fruit, even though they demand pointy sticks. And then drop a huge weight on them as a defense.

OK, try to figure out that reference!

[HorseSoldier]

And why don't we have loyal East German forces with a version of the Stassi running around too.

The Felix Dzezhinsky Guard Regiment was a division-sized Stasi military formation that was the DDR garrison of East Berlin (with a regime support/coup suppression mission as well as staring back at the NATO West Berlin garrisons). Wikipedia has a write up on them that mentions they were unpopular to the point that personnel were not allowed to go out in uniform after duty hours after some personnel were attacked by civilians. Apparently they were basically what you might call a light mechanized unit, with a lot of BTRs and some artillery but no tanks to speak of, and some SOF capability.

Anyway, I could see those guys throwing in with the Soviet troops in the area and withdrawing east as the Warsaw Pact was pushed out of Germany. They could probably end up as a Soviet backed "free German" force like their WW2 analogs, reformed into something like a standard Pact Motorized Rifle Division later in the war before things go nuclear. This would be a place for loyal Communist Ostis to rally to, and perhaps with additional Penal Battalions where any German POWs who prefer to switch sides rather than face a Siberian prisoner of war camp could end up.

[Rainbow Six]

And why don't we have loyal East German forces with a version of the Stassi running around too.

I mean with such fanatical and indoctrinated groups running around with all the good equipment would be an interesting group for the characters to encounter.

The subject of loyal East German forces has come up before; I think it might have been on the old boards.

Personally I always favoured the idea of adding an additional Division to the Warpac orbat of 1997 called the "Karl Marx Division" and consisting of various East German loyalists.
I agree that an encounter with elements of what's left of that Division would be a cool encounter in 2000.

Edit: Having just seen HorseSoldier's post above, the "Felix Dzezhinsky Division" sounds equally possible...

[Raellus]

The main problem I see is that such a unit, in the T2K world, is likely to shoot it's officers and become marauders. I think a key factor is that such units will have to be deployed unarmed.

True. This could account for the more numerous marauder groups of Soviet origin. A GM could also use the premise to justify a particularly deranged group of marauders.

On the other hand, a cohesive penal unit is not impossible, even in 2000. One could always go with the whole "offer of redemption in exchange for completion of a dangerous mission" trope.

@Rainbow and HorseSoldier: I too favor the addition of a couple of Soviet-allied East German units in the WTO ORBAT. You'd think that quite a few E. Germans would have reason to pick the Soviet side of the fence (or Wall, as it were)- i.e. true believers, party members, informants, police, some military personnel, etc.

[Adm.Lee]

I can believe such a unit existing as late as 1998, but not by 2000. It would become an instant marauder unit, if someone tried to form and arm one.

Going back to the WW2 examples, both Soviets and Germans used penal units for construction work, too. If anything, I could see this in 2000-- semi-slave labor, like the rabotniks in Krakow or the LCs in New America.


The pre-war French-African army had some as well, IIRC. They had a reputation for really long forced marches, even more so than the Foreign Legion.

There's also a rumor that the Soviets would use military prisoners as tailgunners on the IL-2 Shturmoviks. Ten missions would get one's sentence lifted! Or so they were told. Did I mention the pilot of the IL-2 had armor plate, but not the tailgunner

[Muti]

Here's my "amateurish" orbat and operational history for a fictional "regiment-like-unit" composed by former East Germany and military convicted troops:

Kampfgruppe Lindemann, Czechoslovakia, Early Summer 2000

Kampfgruppe Headquarter (2x UAZ 469)

2x Motorized Rifle Battalions,
1th Battalion (about 400 men) with 1x BMP-3, 8x BMP-1, several civilian vehicles
2th Battalion (about 400 men) with 5x BMP-1, several civilian vehicles

1x Artillery Battery (1x 120mm SO-120, 3x 122mm towed howitzers, several civilian vehicles)

1x Reconnaissance Company (2x BRDM-2, 1x UAZ 469)

---

Commander of the Kampfgruppe is Christoph Lindemann, Oberstleutnant of the NVA, veteran of the Sino-Soviet War and son of a famous german member of the Communist Party. On October 7th, 1996, while the Bundeswehr crossed the border to fight against the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany, he gave his men the possibility to join the others in the war against their former allied or to follow him to the nearest Soviet military unit to receive orders. He was able to collect a force of about 800 men.

He fought until November against West Germany troops together with Czechs and Poles and, when the high ranking officers of the NVA deposed the leaders of the country replacing them with a military junta declaring war against the WarPac forces, his unit was designed as Kampfgruppe Lindemann (a volunteer unit) and sent to fight in Southern Germany until April 1997.

He proposed to his Soviet superiors the idea to increase the ranks of the unit with men coming from military prisons and this proposal was accepted. In July of the same year the Kampfgruppe Lindemann reached the maximum number of troops with Czechs, Hungarians, Bulgarians "penal volunteers" and the original nucleus of East Germany soldiers (mainly officers and NCOs).

During the winter of 1997-98, lacking of fuel, ammunitions and food, the Kampfgruppe began to systematically loot the country committing terrible acts against the civilian population.

In late August 1998, when NATO launched the offensive to penetrate the WarPac rear areas in Czechoslovakia, the Pact forces in Central Germany began a precipitous withdrawl, laying waste to Southern Germany as they retreated. Kampfgruppe Lindemann reached Czechoslovakia on the 1th October after another act of barbary: the execution of about 100 NATO POWs. Almost on the same time the second nuclear exchange between NATO and Pact began and fightings gradually ran down in winter.

In early January 1999, some officers of the Kampfgruppe began to secretly organize a mutiny. The idea was to arrest or kill all Lindemann's supporters and Christoph Lindemann himself, reach the NATO lines and surrender. Oberstleutnant Lindemann was aware of the plan and executed all the mutineers for high treason with the consent of the WarPac military authorities.

Another season of criminal activities and sporadical fightings began and the Kampfgruppe was always in first line receiving a last "shipment" of fresh troops (always military convicts) in March 1999. Because of the change in warfare, with fronts static for months, Kampfgruppe Lindemann remained in Czechoslovakia performing:
1) guerrilla activity mainly against bands of foreign marauders roaming the countryside
2) looting targets like small towns, villages and even units of the Warsaw Pact when supplies did not arrive
3) forced recruitment of civilians and soldiers from disbanded units (in the Kampfgruppe is famous the history of perhaps the only US soldier in a WarPac unit, a deserter who is now one of the members of Kampfgruppe's HQ)
4) illegal executions of civilians and stragglers
5) propaganda in POW camps

Now (2000) the Kampfgruppe is totally an independent unit controlled by Oberstleutnant Lindemann himself who sporadically cooperate with WarPac troops. Rumors says that a new mutiny is on the horizon because the discontent, especially amongst the non-veterans, is high...

Please be gentle with your comments

[rcaf_777]

Here is somthing that Canadian Army came up with

[HorseSoldier]

Please be gentle with your comments

Works for me -- being holed up in some of the less hospitable terrain along the DDR-Czech border is probably a good place for these guys. Somewhere out of the way where it's too much trouble for a major German force to get detailed out to get rid of them for both practical and political reasons.

I think another area like that is the East German/Polish border near Danzig. I seem to recall that going by the units mentioned in the various GDW OrBats there's just no one there. I always wanted to figure out some scenario in the area involving PCs having to go to Peenemunde for some reason, and dealing with various groups of stragglers who've washed up in the area opting out of the main war but then ending up as a bunch of little feuding cantonments, with latter day Danish or Swedish vikings prowling the Baltic as well.

[TiggerCCW UK]

You could deploy them armed with fruit, even though they demand pointy sticks. And then drop a huge weight on them as a defense.

OK, try to figure out that reference!

Monty Python, self defence against fruit.

"Next you eat the banana, thus disarming him" :-)

And I didn't need to google it