WikiLeaks Kabul War Diary

[Muti]

Besides the US polemics surrounding this website I found very useful information on small unit actions for example.

http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/

[Abbott Shaull]

Was wondering when this would be brought up.

There are so many place one could go but I won't on it.

I will repeat that with all of this information one has to be careful how much you post. With Field Manuals combined with actual reports, well even some punk with 6th grade education could figure things out if he got his hands on enough intel... I am just as uncomfortable as those who are in the armed services with the amount of information.

Just remember most of the cover ups are by Company and Battalion level officers who wish to raise up within the ranks higher. On one hand, I know they can't be everywhere not like in the old days when Company/Battalion would be in armies where they lined up and shot at each other... Also during that time fighting then usually started at first light and ended at night, where today with technology war is 24 hours experience.

We still run the military much like they use to run back centuries ago, without thinking the ramification of having running operation 24 hours a day and how things have to be adjust. With that said I will get off the soap box...

[pmulcahy11b]

As far as the parts where the Pakistanis aren't really our friends...who didn't know that

This WikiLeaks reports comes days after the reporting on MSNBC that our intelligence community may be so big and monolithic that keeping anything secret may be impossible.

[jester]

The question is, how many folks on the ground in theater are going to be in harms way because of this

I have seen the clips of the idiot from Der Spiegel, and he seems a bit to smug. For that alone I would love to bash his face in.

As for the newspappers who are pushing it, tend to focus on the sensational and have a proven bias. So much for objective reporting.

[Tegyrius]

As for the newspappers who are pushing it, tend to focus on the sensational and have a proven bias. So much for objective reporting.

What is this "objective reporting" of which you speak Is it like your rabbit that bounces about the yards on Easter, laying eggs and bringing chocolates

- C.

[Mohoender]

There is no "objective reporting". Reporters are only interested in getting the "Big News" and the Pulitzer or something similar.

Nevertheless, I remained convinced that part of it is true. War is never clean but it's not a reason not to grant respect to soldiers fighting. I don't know war, don't want to know it and I'm equally sure that most troops are simply fighting.

As I said to an American friend in 2003 while visiting US: put two stickers on your cars: "Bring Them Home" and "Support Our Troops". At the time, these stickers were opposed, I never understood why as both make sence. It seemed that the British are better at understand it.

[pmulcahy11b]

As I said to an American friend in 2003 while visiting US: put two stickers on your cars: "Bring Them Home" and "Support Our Troops". At the time, these stickers were opposed, I never understood why as both make sence. It seemed that the British are better at understand it.

It is quite possible to support the troops and understand and feel for the sacrifice they are making, yet oppose the war in which they are fighting. It's how I feel about the Iraq invasion. Soldiers may fight the wars, but they don't start them. That's done by politicians, and their reasons for starting them may be less than sterling or moral. That's how I feel about the Iraq War.

[TiggerCCW UK]

It is quite possible to support the troops and understand and feel for the sacrifice they are making, yet oppose the war in which they are fighting. It's how I feel about the Iraq invasion. Soldiers may fight the wars, but they don't start them. That's done by politicians, and their reasons for starting them may be less than sterling or moral. That's how I feel about the Iraq War.

The late, great Bill Hicks once said 'I'm in the unusal position of being for the troops, but against the war', in reference to the first Gulf War iirc. Sums up a ot of peoples feelings here in the UK anyway, especially regarding the current Iraq situation.

[Mohoender]

Paul,we agree and I'm not surprised about it. However, it didn't seemed to be possible back in 2003. You are right soldiers never start wars but people tend to support them.

I'll never forget what a french Poilu said in 1989. The journalist, in front of him, had said that WW1 had proved how brave they all were. The man replied the following : "WW1 proved only one thing, that you had as many fools on both side of the border".

My Grand Father held a similar position about war. The only time my Grand Pa screamed at me was when I foolishly suggested that some good could come out of War. His answer was simple: "The only thing that comes out of war is destruction, nothing is ever built out of war". Please, no need to discuss it. I would not take it badly but God himself could not challenge that.

Strangely, that didn't make me a pacifist.

[Dog 6]

The biggest problem with the world is overpopulation. I support any and all military actions that curtail it.

[pmulcahy11b]

The biggest problem with the world is overpopulation. I support any and all military actions that curtail it.

Mass atomic bombing! Do it for the kids, for the kids!

[Targan]

While I am very interested in hearing peoples' opinions on the topic of this thread I fear this is the sort of subject that could lead to conflict on this forum. I and the other moderators will be keeping an eye on this discussion, please lets try not to get too political (because we all know where that leads). If it even looks like starting to get nasty in this thread we'll shut it down.

*Putting away stern face now*

[HorseSoldier]

While normally extremely pro free speech, something about the way their title page interjects the word "secret" so salaciously into their write up makes me pine for happier times when the CIA could have just disappeared the site's founder. If it can be demonstrated that any member of the US military, various other international forces serving in country, UN employees or NGO aid workers or anyone else loses their life as a result of this leak I hope the leak and the media whores publicizing it are held fully accountable.

[Mohoender]

While I am very interested in hearing peoples' opinions on the topic of this thread I fear this is the sort of subject that could lead to conflict on this forum. I and the other moderators will be keeping an eye on this discussion, please lets try not to get too political (because we all know where that leads). If it even looks like starting to get nasty in this thread we'll shut it down.

*Putting away stern face now*

Wise but, so far, it led to laughter. I bet that the worse for you is to restrain yourself.

[pmulcahy11b]

While I am very interested in hearing peoples' opinions on the topic of this thread I fear this is the sort of subject that could lead to conflict on this forum. I and the other moderators will be keeping an eye on this discussion, please lets try not to get too political (because we all know where that leads). If it even looks like starting to get nasty in this thread we'll shut it down.

*Putting away stern face now*

Yeah, that's why I'm avoiding my opinion of the current Afghanistan War. Controversial, too political, and it will spark a flame war, I fear.