What pay for soldiers?

[Mohoender]

I was just reading about soldiers pay today. It seemed relevant even to the game as it can influence your background.

Here is the pay for french soldiers (/month, rounded up):
Soldat (Private): 1044
Caporal (Corporal): 1058
Caporal-chef (Technician Corporal): 1107

Sergent (Sergeant): 1104
Sergent-chef (Staff Sergeant): 1271
Adjudant (Technical Sergeant): 1369
Adjudant-chef (Master Sergeant): 1594
Major (First Sergeant): 1934

Sous-lieutenant (2nd Lieutnant): 1533
Lieutenant (1st Lieutnant): 1719
Capitaine (Captain): 2259
Commandant (Major): 2693
Lieutenant-Colonel (Lt Colonel): 3103

Pay in OPEX is regular pay+1.5 regular pay. For a private it will be 2610 (for exemple currently in Afghanistan). Of course, all of this will be disrupted by T2K but not immediately. At the time of T2K the principles were already the same but pay was in French Francs. I'll try to do some research on that later. What about your armies

[pmulcahy11b]

In T2K, your pay is going to be food, ammunition, gear, and above all else, security. And possibly hope for the future.

[jester]

Pay at that time was pretty meager. It was not quite half of what the current pay is today. An example, a PFC I knew made 30% more than I was I made as a Cpl ten years before. But for most of the 90s the pay seldom kept up with inflation and your annual increase on your anniversary date was usualy 15 to 20 a month increase which sucked.

Off of memory in the early 90s;

Pvt was about 738 a month
PFC was about 820
Lance Cpl was about 900 a month
Cpl was about 1200 a month

Of course these numbers changed each year and the pay amount would also increase on the anniversary of your enlistment, but those are close.

[Mohoender]

In T2K, your pay is going to be food, ammunition, gear, and above all else, security. And possibly hope for the future.

Obviously. I'm interested on pays IRL.

[pmulcahy11b]

All I know is what my disability pay is.

[jester]

All I know is what my disability pay is.

My disability pay is more than your disability pay!

Oh wait, its from the same people....uh...er...never mind

[pmulcahy11b]

My disability pay is more than your disability pay!

Oh wait, its from the same people....uh...er...never mind

My two computer screens are bigger than yours!

[pmulcahy11b]

Burn Notice

I like the show on USA called Burn Notice. (Yes, it's unrealistic, I know.) But it brings the possibility of a new character or NPC type -- the burned spy.

(For those who don't know the show, Michael Weston is a "burned" spy -- one who has been so thoroughly disavowed by the CIA that he has been dumped in a city with no identity records, no work records, no nothing.) Might be more a Merc: 2000 thing.


Edit: Sorry, I meant that as a new thread. Can a moderator fix that

[jester]

Mo;

Here is a breakdown of the pay, I will attempt to post it in 5 year incriments 1985, 1990, 1995,2000 and 2005 so you can see howit changed and when the big jumps did occur. I have covered from 1985 to 2005 which are the years that cover most characters

I will only include the basic pay, and not include the time at specific ranks which means you get more. I will break it down to 3 catagories for enlisted and three for officers and one for warrant officers. Here we go!

Rank 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 Non-Rates

E-1/Pvt 620.40 724.20 854.40 1,005.60 1235.17
E-2/PFC 695.40 811.80 57.60 1,127.40 1384.50
E-3/L/Cpl 723.00 843.60 995.10 1,171.50 1456.20

NCO's
E-4/Cpl/Spec 767.40 895.50 1,056.00 1,242.90 1612.80
E-5/Sgt 822.60 960.00 1,132.20 1,332.60 1759.50

Staff NCO's
E-6/SSgt 937.20 1,094.10 1,290.30 1,518.90 1920.30
E-7Gunny/ 1089.60 1,271.40 1,499.70 1,765.80 2220.00
Sgt1C

E-8/1stSgt 1560.60 1,821.30 2,148.00 2,528.40 3193.50
Mster/Sgt

E-9/SgtMaj 1860.60 2,171.70 2,561.70 3,015.30 3901.20

Warrant Officers:
W-1 1,061.10 1,238.10 1,460.10 1,719.00 2290.20
W-2 1,273.50 1,485.90 1,752.90 2,063.40 2593.50
W-3 1,453.80 1,696.80 2,001.30 2,355.90 2948.40
W-4 1,599.60 1,866.90 2,202.00 2,592.00 3228.60

Mustang Officers <This only applies to Company Grade Officers>
OE-1/2nd LT 1,495.20 1,745.10 2,058.00 2,423.10 2948.10
OE2/1stLT 1,856.70 2,166.90 2,556.00 3,009.00 3660.90
OE3/Captn. 2,076.30 2,423.40 2,858.10 3,364.80 4168.20


Company Grade Officers:
O1/2nd Lt 1,188.60 1,387.20 1,636.20 1,926.30 2948.10
O2/1st Lt. 1,369.20 1,597.80 1,884.60 2,218.80 3736.20
O3/Captain 1,570.20 1,832.40 2,161.20 2,544.00 5083.20

Field Grade
O4/Major 1,689.60 1,971.90 2,325.60 2,737.80 5766.60
05/Lt.Col. 2,004.60 2,339.10 2,759.10 3,248.40 6048.60
06/Col 2,506.20 2,925.00 3,449.70 4,061.10 6433.80

[Mohoender]

Very nice, I'm trying to find the same thing for the french but so far, I failed.

The only thing I can say is that, as a private conscript in 1994, I had 70$/month + 70$/month for lodging. Long term conscript (2 years) received much more and volunteer enlisted received the most.

I agree that pay is not the most but, when designing a character background it could be interesting to have some ideas.

Thanks Jest

[jester]

Thats why I went back to 85 to give a good 10 years before the main events in T2K kicked off so people can get an idea for character background. I almost included the 2010 figure but ran out of room on the page and with my poor eyesight forget shrinking the font.

[Adm.Lee]

Does the US still pay extra for housing, based on the location of the assignment I had an ROTC instructor who told us that he had had widely varying take-home pay, given his postings:

1. NW Pennsylvania: not much at all.
2. Ft. Campbell, KY: a bit more.
3. Washington, DC: a lot more. He was assigned to the Secret Service's bomb squad, so the Army paid for his Armani suits, too.

[Eddie]

Yup. It's called Basic Allowance for Housing. Some places also get Cost of Living Allowance (COLA) as well. I keep hearing that the Air Force gets Substandard Housing Offset when they live in Army Housing, though I've not seen any real evidence of this.

[pmulcahy11b]

Also Separate Rats (Separate Ration Allowance) so you can afford to not eat in the Mess Hall. The BAH and Separate Rats in Hawaii are gigantic due to the costs of off-base housing, and lots of personnel live off-base since the housing areas of bases aren't that big. You can also get TLA (Temporary Living Allowance) while you're waiting to get into base housing, and TDY (Temporary Duty Allowance), even if you aren't living off base -- I got TDY when I was on funeral detail, since we were in and out of hotels, and I got TDY in jump school, even though I was in training barracks.

[weswood]

Slightly OT, but..

Reading Eddie's post reminded me of something that happened when I was stationed on Okinawa. I'd met & befriended an Air Farce type, same rank as me, E-3. He showed me his room at the AF's barracks. Huge room, full size bed, no roommate, drinking fountain in the room that had hot water for coffee.

My barracks Built shortly after WWII, was open squadbay converted to 2 man rooms with thin paneling, community shower/head, no a/c, standard military bunkbeds, steel lockers.

I have to admit to being slightly jealous.