US Vehicle Prices in Germany after OpOmega

[Gamer]

The trade of the heavy equipment for a tanker of crude oil means the German leadership understands they need this gear to help stabilize the country, they still have warsaw pact forces and maruders in Germany, they don't have a refinery in Germany that's operational nor will one be for quite some time.
The prices shouldn't change really as the prices are also dependant on the wear value of the vehicle and the heavy equipment left behind isn't going to be in very good shape anyway, but it will be enough to help make a difference.

There is also the issue of US units passing through the German units, those German units aren't going to like seeing all that heavy equipment passing through destined for the rear when they need it here and now and many may try to commandeer it and as the book says firefights between the US and German forces are become more common over that issue.

[kalos72]

Posts like the recent on regarding alcohol production kinda support my thought process the Germans would have now.

Yes they have all the American vehicles secured and there if they need them, much less away from the hands of local marauders and such. But they still need to be able to fuel their own vehicles.

Knowing they still have enemies lurking around and now have some added firepower, I think they would like to be able to utilize that firepower when its needed by receiving a stock of diesel.

Or even just to add to the agricultural output by using heavy equipment instead of everything being done by hand...

[kalos72]

One other thing that I think might be getting to people...

I dont mean to keep the vehicles in country, I plan on shipping them back to the US.

[Gamer]

No they shouldn't have "all" the vehicles, Going Home repeatedly states it's the heavy equipment that's getting left behind and unless they have changed that meaning in the last few years since I left service that means there is still a good number of vehicles coming home.

[kalos72]

Gamer - I interpret the OpOmega orders to include any "armor" and maybe some of the heavier engineering vehicles or prime movers.

[Gamer]

That's pretty much it.

[kalos72]

That leaves like something close 1000 MBT/APC/IFV's alone. Not to mention the various other heavy vehicles.

Surely the Germans could sell off 10% of that for diesel.

[Legbreaker]

Sell to who though
And who's going to want to part with diesel, or any other oil based fuel or lubricant even if they do happen to have a little laying about

[kalos72]

PC's needing armor and having diesel to trade...

So the consensus seems to be the value would either stay book value or higher for the vehicles.

I think diesel would double to close to $100 per liter in Germany come Spring 2001...

[pmulcahy11b]

Sell to who though
And who's going to want to part with diesel, or any other oil based fuel or lubricant even if they do happen to have a little laying about

That's always made me wonder -- why are there no book prices for transmission fluid, brake fluid, lubrication grease, etc.

[Legbreaker]

Possibly because it's a detail the writers didn't bother with

Any fuel picked up from PCs is going to amount to a few jerry cans here and there - not exactly enough to flood the market....

[Rainbow Six]

That leaves like something close 1000 MBT/APC/IFV's alone. Not to mention the various other heavy vehicles.

Surely the Germans could sell off 10% of that for diesel.

I think Legbreaker is correct...to negotiate the purchase of even one APC PC's would need to have access to a huge amount of fuel...far more than they're ever likely to acquire imho.

Even then, let's assume the trade of a tank does go ahead...how do the Germans know that tank isn't going to be used against them at a later stage Also, a point that I don't think has been mentioned is that as well as facing Warpac forces and marauders to the east, a swathe of Western German territory is occupied by Franco Belgian forces.

Sorry, I just can't see this sort of trading taking place...the Bundeswehr have a need for those vehicles and are going to want to keep them for their own use. It might take a while, but with big enough stills they can eventually brew up fuel to run them on - they can't brew up more main battle tanks.

[Webstral]

I, too, am with Legbreaker on this one. Although we might stretch our imaginations to figure out how one or two AFV get traded to some third party, the Germans need those vehicles desperately. Even if there isn't enough fuel to run the MBT or lubricants to properly maintain them, an MBT properly sited and dug in makes a wonderful bunker. With the Americans gone and the Brits planning to leave, the Germans are going to face some real manpower problems. Non-mobile MBT can cover a lot of the front, helping to consolidate manpower and operational fighting vehicles--or at least the ones for which the Germans have fuel.

Webstral