Odds and ends.

[Rockwolf66]

well I'm thinking about possibly writing up a bit of TW2000 ficiton and I was wondering about the stats of a couple things.

The first is the Achisson Assault 12, I know that Paul Mulcahy has the USAS-12 shotgun on his site but the Achisson and the latter MPS AA-12 are different as far as internals and accessories go. For the fiction I was going to have a "modernized version of the AA-12 with a M-177 style stock and the foreend similar to a Colt Automatic Rifle.



Second is a bit of a nitpic of mine as the Marine LAV-AD vehicles that I have seen have all mounted a 25mm vulcan style cannon not a tri barreled 30mm gun.

that and Does anyone have an idea about which units were destroyed when the 5th Divsion was overrun,and about what percent of the 5th could have survived

[pmulcahy11b]

The first is the Achisson Assault 12, I know that Paul Mulcahy has the USAS-12 shotgun on his site but the Achisson and the latter MPS AA-12 are different as far as internals and accessories go. For the fiction I was going to have a "modernized version of the AA-12 with a M-177 style stock and the foreend similar to a Colt Automatic Rifle.

Second is a bit of a nitpic of mine as the Marine LAV-AD vehicles that I have seen have all mounted a 25mm vulcan style cannon not a tri barreled 30mm gun.

The first: I'm not sure the stock is possible, as I believe that the AA-12 is a "semi-bullpup" sort of design (there's a lot of the mechanism inside the stock). But you should check up on what I just said as I'm not totally sure about that.

The second: I didn't know that. I'll have to fix that on my site.

[Rockwolf66]

well I found This about the LAV-AD.

As far as the AA-12 shotgun goes I was going for an alternative universe build that is intended for combat in urbanized areas or in the sorts of wooded areas where the undergrowth gets really thick. From what I have read about the design it uses that long tube on the back of the reciver to hold a lengthened recoil spring. In essence it's a buffer tube. Technically it would be possible to mount a collapsing stock around said buffer tube. What I am looking at would be similar to what is described in one of the old Able Team novels. an AA-12 modifed to look closer to the visual profile of an M-16 varient and not an assault shotgun.

[Rockwolf66]

sorry for the double post but I found a video of the LAV-AD with a good shot of the 25mm. Suprisingly enough it seems to have a 70mm rocket launcher over the gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watchv=XooFmPUt6aA

[pmulcahy11b]

7-round Hydra-70 launcher. What does that have to do with air defense You'd be lucky to hit a fast moving target with an unguided rocket -- the Air force found that out in the 1960s. Though there is that experimental guided Hydra-70 rocket, come to think of it...maybe they're developing an AAA version of it.

...or, increase its utility in a ground support role.

[Dog 6]

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/articles/20100917.aspx

Guided 70mm rockets are not a new thing, they work very well but only vs ground targets

[Rockwolf66]

7-round Hydra-70 launcher. What does that have to do with air defense You'd be lucky to hit a fast moving target with an unguided rocket -- the Air force found that out in the 1960s. Though there is that experimental guided Hydra-70 rocket, come to think of it...maybe they're developing an AAA version of it.

...or, increase its utility in a ground support role.

The Ground support role does seem to be the nitch of such a modification.

[boogiedowndonovan]

that and Does anyone have an idea about which units were destroyed when the 5th Divsion was overrun,and about what percent of the 5th could have survived

I don't have the 1st edition "death of a division" handout in front of me. But I think it implied that every 5th ID component unit suffered enough to be effectively written off as a loss.

The 2nd edition BYB (big yellow book) has a Poland map which lists the locations of units. It does list the 5th ID as a dotted circle and "elements". not sure of the exact location on the Poland map, I'm guessing southeast of Kalisz.

I have seen a non-canon T2k OOB that listed the surviving numbers for 5th ID as 500 men and 1 AFV. If I find it I will post it.

[Legbreaker]

I have seen a non-canon T2k OOB that listed the surviving numbers for 5th ID as 500 men and 1 AFV. If I find it I will post it.

This would be a reasonable assessment I would think, however those 500 men are likely scattered over many dozens of miles in groups numbering no more than 20 or so. Each group is also unlikely to be in contact with each other.
So, even though some other divisions have listed strength less than this (the SOV 10th TD springs to mind), they at least are in one peice and still functioning as a unit.

[pmulcahy11b]

Guided 70mm rockets are not a new thing, they work very well but only vs ground targets

Here's a question -- doesn't adding a guidance package to a rocket technically make it a missile

[Dog 6]

Here's a question -- doesn't adding a guidance package to a rocket technically make it a missile

imo yes

[Rockwolf66]

I don't have the 1st edition "death of a division" handout in front of me. But I think it implied that every 5th ID component unit suffered enough to be effectively written off as a loss.

The 2nd edition BYB (big yellow book) has a Poland map which lists the locations of units. It does list the 5th ID as a dotted circle and "elements". not sure of the exact location on the Poland map, I'm guessing southeast of Kalisz.

I have seen a non-canon T2k OOB that listed the surviving numbers for 5th ID as 500 men and 1 AFV. If I find it I will post it.

I have the Escape from Kalis pamflit with me right now and what I was planning on putting together and the ad hoc group of survivors would be a a combination of an engineering vehicle, a LAV-AD, a fuel carrier version of the HEMET and a couple HMMWV. Basically a combinations of escaped units that have banded together and are trying to stay alive.

I was thinking of starting the story after the unit has hit a soviet supply dump.

[Legbreaker]

That makes for a fairly hefty unit post 5th ID destruction. It's bound to attract a LOT of attention from the Pact forces.
The Engineer vehicle, LAV and truck are all essentially rear area or support unit vehicles. Chances are they came from Divisional or perhaps Brigade HQ and so there's likely to be an inordinately large number of officers and support staff.
Based purely on vehicle selection, it wouldn't surprise me if this small unit is what's left of one of those HQs.

[Rockwolf66]

As far as the unit leadership goes I saw the Defacto unit commander a company commander who has manager to escape capture by the russians. The rest of the unit is an adhoc group of soldiers that he has managed to collect up in the days after the destruction of the division. Basically the survivors are trying to find a place to lay low and not get Shitkicked by the larger Russian units around them. Right now I am going to have to print out a pre-destruction unit OOB and then figure out the groups host units.

[Targan]

I have the Escape from Kalis pamflit with me right now and what I was planning on putting together and the ad hoc group of survivors would be a a combination of an engineering vehicle, a LAV-AD, a fuel carrier version of the HEMET and a couple HMMWV. Basically a combinations of escaped units that have banded together and are trying to stay alive.

I was thinking of starting the story after the unit has hit a soviet supply dump.

I like it. If you write it I will certainly read it.