M16/AR-15 Clones

[pmulcahy11b]

Do you guys have any idea of how many M16/AR-15 clones are out there I've stopped putting them on my pages because of the repetitious nature of doing so. It's boring. I'm actually thought of putting up a special page for M16/AR-15 clones. but I think it would be no fun to do so. Sheesh!

Rant over.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

There's just too many of them to keep up with all of them.
My thoughts are that basically, the M16/AR-15 entry should just list the basic weapon and its stats and mention the most well known companies that offer clones (and the name of the clone).
I'd only list separate entries if there was a significant difference like say one version was more prone to dirt screwing up the mechanism or say it had a free-floating barrel and so on.

[Snake Eyes]

Ditto SSC's rec. I think it would be a waste of your time and considerable talent to bother with the insignificant nuances of all the AR-family clones, unless there is really some compelling non-cosmetic difference that needs to be underscored - especially since the game mechanics really aren't granular enough to take into account most of those subtleties.

[HorseSoldier]

Further agreement. I would only bother listing versions that do anything particularly special or unique. Like SnakeEyes said, the game mechanics can't really distinguish between a Colt or a Bushmaster or a Noveske or whatever, no matter how much electronic ink owners may spill debating the merits on various websites and such.

[B.T.]

Paul!

Complete agreement! I tried to figure out the main models. But over the years there have been so many variants of the original design (M177, Colt Commando, M653, M733, to name only the most prominent variants, that I use the stats of the M177 for in the game!) that it is nearly impossible, to list them all.

I think it would be very time consuming, difficult, and not worth the afford!

[Canadian Army]

There's just too many of them to keep up with all of them.
My thoughts are that basically, the M16/AR-15 entry should just list the basic weapon and its stats and mention the most well known companies that offer clones (and the name of the clone).
I'd only list separate entries if there was a significant difference like say one version was more prone to dirt screwing up the mechanism or say it had a free-floating barrel and so on.

I agree

[rcaf_777]

Our good friends at Wikipedia say that there are about 28 versions and clones that claim to based on the M16, thses seem to main ones, I am sure there are other in limited numbers

[Legbreaker]

What they said.

[waiting4something]

Yeah, I think that I wouldn't get to indepth with all the different clones out there. AR's are like AK's the variants and possiblities to mix and match most parts of one with another are endless. I would maybe note that some are not interchangable in certain areas. Like the non-law enforcement/military only Colt AR-15's that had larger holes in there receivers so you could only use Colt's parts. Or how some of the later Colt Match Target series had a auto sear block pinned in them to prevent you from putting in a auto sear. I would only add this because it makes the weapon less convertable to auto fire. Or if someone in the group is not a machinist who can make spare parts, it becomes worthless, if parts get damaged, lost, or worn out.
On a side note it's funny how the artist for the original Twilight 2000 Small Arms Guide used a Colt SP-1 for his model of a M-16A2 (atleast I believe he did). You can see the SP-1 written on the reciever and the front take down pin on the lower receiver has a screw instead of just the push pin.

[pmulcahy11b]

That, again, would merely take a note in the M16/AR-15 entry that most AR-15s and clones cannot be converted to automatic fire without damaging the weapon to the point that it will not fire (perhaps an Impossible: Gunsmith roll).

[Legbreaker]

Although the M16 (as a rule of thumb) can fire on automatic, the question remains as to why experienced soldiers would bother In a post nuke world, ammo is scarce and what is about is not necessarily top quality with the brass probably having been reloaded a number of times. It may be that misfeeds are a big problem exacerbated by high rates of fire.
The M16, and assault rifles in general, are also too light to fire bursts with any real chance of hitting at reasonable ranges. Leaving the semi-auto version as a semi-auto while keeping an eye out for an auto may be the wiser course of action.
Hundreds of thousands of soldiers have died within a few hundred kilometres of any one spot in Europe. While many of their weapons were vapourised by nukes, or left out in the field for the elements to destroy, many would have been salvaged by other soldiers or civilians. Sooner or later the opportunity to upgrade will come along (although why anyone would think getting a hold of an M16 of any type is an "upgrade" is beyond me!).

[Raellus]

There are times, though, when you just gotta rock 'n' roll.

[Legbreaker]

Don't get me wrong, there are times when the capability is useful, however those times are relatively limited. They don't occur often enough I believe to warrant risking destruction to an otherwise serviceable weapon.
Besides, how many PCs have only one weapon Almost every last one I've ever known anything about has at least had access to a veritable cornucopia of armaments.

[waiting4something]

Auto fire really isn't the big issue I was stressing, although I think it is good to have if out numbered which most stragglers would be. What I was stating is how some of the lower receiver parts on the civilian Colt AR-15's out there can not use miltary M-16 parts or other civilian AR-15 parts if say like the hammer goes tits up. So it's more a parts replacement problem. Oh and yes M-16's rule!

[Legbreaker]

Oh and yes M-16's rule!

You've obviously got some mental issues...