I swear, my alt timeline will have something about Florida

[raketenjagdpanzer]

that doesn't leave the state an abandoned ruin. Seriously, what is it with you guys Between The Morrow Project and Twilight:2000 you'd think there was this runaway hate-on for the Sunshine State! LOL

[dragoon500ly]

You mean Florida is already an abandoned ruin, overrun with snowbirds Oh man!!!! I am so behind on my reading!!!!

[antimedic]

I really never understood why Florida gets dissed my everyone. I have lived there my my whole life, and it is one of the easiest states to survive in. Lots of food if you know what you are looking for, and with all the growth, there is a ton of stuff out there to keep you going. Look at how Florida was basically the breadbasket of the CSA during the Civil war, when only a few interior counties were being farmed. Its easy to live here, as long as you can fish, ID some wild edibles, and build basic snares. Thats all from me.

P.S- How does St.Augustine fit into your story Dude, we have a fort here, come on, how cool is that

[helbent4]

that doesn't leave the state an abandoned ruin. Seriously, what is it with you guys Between The Morrow Project and Twilight:2000 you'd think there was this runaway hate-on for the Sunshine State! LOL

RakJPz,

"Sunshine State" To reference the Simpsons, don't you mean "America's wang"

I think everywhere gets creamed. Still, Florida is such an evocative place in terms of terrain and visualisation, many people have been there, it's a popular location in entertainment, a vibrant mix of cultures, there's a glowering Cuba just offshore, etc. In other words, it's getting the same "loving" treatment as Poland, another favourite setting area.

On that note, I will include a link to a not-quite-related but still kick-ass song, "Sister Havana" by Urge Overkill:

http://www.youtube.com/watchv=yzFlPdHt1Gk

Looks like it was taped in FL. Man, that chick doesn't seem like she's all that interested in actually being in the video.

Tony

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I really never understood why Florida gets dissed my everyone. I have lived there my my whole life, and it is one of the easiest states to survive in. Lots of food if you know what you are looking for, and with all the growth, there is a ton of stuff out there to keep you going. Look at how Florida was basically the breadbasket of the CSA during the Civil war, when only a few interior counties were being farmed. Its easy to live here, as long as you can fish, ID some wild edibles, and build basic snares. Thats all from me.

P.S- How does St.Augustine fit into your story Dude, we have a fort here, come on, how cool is that

The strikes happen pretty much as in the 1.0 background. Kennedy gets spared slightly by its bursts hitting out to sea and going off underwater due to malfunction. Patrick AFB is unharmed and becomes the keys to recovery in the area.

The I-4 corridor is pretty hosed, but Tampa/CENTCOM fallout went more southeast than northwest. Orlando and locations north and northwest did "OK", with MCO and SFB being key points for relief (what little has come).

As explained in 1.0-relevant sourcebooks, though, the Sunshine State has given rise to a lot of separatist elements which will be a problem for years to come. As I pointed out, the USS Saratoga is grounded of Port Richie, in a "maybe-someday" recoverable state. The chief concern is whether or not her reactor is safe and stable.

FL ANG units out of Jacksonville and USMC Reserve, Army Reserve and NTSC Orlando trainees are the bulk of the military presence in Florida, totaling around 2800 personnel. The Transportatiton and Paymaster reservists based out of Orlando provide the bulk of the mobility to units in Central Florida with their small number of HEMTTs, and the link between Central Florida and other regions is tenuous at best. Some transport aircraft remain, bolstered by rotary-wing and prop a/c from the USS Saratoga, and 3 functional, stored F15Ds also remain (but essentially grounded since a mere few hours' flying time worth of JP-8 remain).

SFB (Sanford International Airport) and to a lesser degree MCO (Orlando International Airport) have taken the bulk of relief flights; the surrounding environs near both airports are heavily patrolled by local militia (consisting of a great number of retired middle-aged veterans of Vietnam and Korea) aligned with both MilGov and CivGov. Unlike other areas of the country these two groups conflicts rarely involve more than catcalls, showing the international bird of peace to one another, and so on.

St. Augustine's civil government relocated to the near-indestructible fortress located in the old town. Nothing short of a demolition nuclear charge could bring the complex down and it is now the nerve center for recovery and civil government on Florida's northeast coast.

The chief damage done to Florida has been the repeated "surprise" hurricanes, although the judicious use of E2C Hawkeyes from the beached Saratoga, combined with the meteorological skills of NASA and Patrick AFB personnel have gone a long, long way to mitigating the damage by warning the remaining population centers as best they can...

[antimedic]

Heck yea! We've decided that the Castillo de San Marcos is going to be our hold out location during the Zombie Apocolypse. And dont forget, the Hawkeyes were and are still being built by Grumman in St. Augustine. And up until they were retired, Tomcats were being rebuilt, and Intruders were being converted to KA6D tankers. The State Guard HQ is also here. Several years ago I was able to see the Communications setup during a pre-fire tour, it was very impressive.

And most of the state has a gun store every 2 blocks or so. Just saying......

[headquarters]

Florida

I have a couple of cents :
Alas,Babylon : excellent book. set in Florida. Lots of good ambience and ideas for a T2k game.

1 Everybody knows Florida is warm and lush. When fuel and electricity stop being available further north a migration of people looking to get to somewhere warm and fertile will invade Florida.

2 Florida has a pretty high/normal gun pr citizen ratio. ( high or normal depending on your take on that issue)

I guess Florida will end up going through nasty times in the T2k setting - carnage.

[Tegyrius]

And most of the state has a gun store every 2 blocks or so. Just saying......

Only one in the Keys, though, as far as I've been able to determine.

When I was doing 2013 demos, my standard plot involved U.S. Marine survivors in Cote d'Ivoire procuring transport back to the World for themselves and the embassy staffers they were escorting. I always wanted to do a sequel adventure for that, starting with the team's freighter going down in a tropical storm. The PCs would wash ashore (minus most of their gear) in the middle of a low-intensity struggle between the Conch Republic and a bunch of gangstas who'd escaped the nuclear strike on Miami. I had vague plans of making it the seed adventure for PCs arriving back in (nominally) CONUS and embarking on their homeward journeys. Alas, I can't actually write canned adventures to save my life... but I always liked the idea of the tongue-in-cheek Conch Republic secession movement turning into a de facto micro-nation once the lower Keys were completely cut off from any state or federal help.

- C.

[mikeo80]

I have a few nits to pick

1) U.S.S. Saratoga is/was a CVA, not a CVN. Oil based engineering, not a nuclear powered vessel.

2) Florida, esp in Alas Babylon and TMP gets CREAMED. So many AFB stations for the incoming Russian warheads to vaporize, the major cities of Miami, Orlando, etc. go poof!

As in Alas Babylon, once out in the boondocks, there would be at least a few survivors. As related above, there are natural resources that could sustain a low level population. As in Alas Babylon, the majority of snowbirds would be caught in the blast, radiation, firestorms. Not too many survivors there.

Just my two cents

Mike

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Come to think of it, Key West has oodles of feral chickens running about. That is meat on the hoof or if your more enterprising, capture some of them and raise them for their eggs and meat.

Chuck

[bigehauser]

I have said it here before, but I will say it again because it is so weird. Urban Guerrillas has a group called the Dunedin Rangers, a bunch of ragtag, well armed individuals in the Dunedin area. I was part of a group of reenactors that all lived in and around Dunedin, and we were part of a military museum called NASLEMM that is commonly called the "two of every gun museum" operated by long time gun collector Bill Douglas. It is very weird how similar we are to the story in the game.

[helbent4]

I have said it here before, but I will say it again because it is so weird. Urban Guerrillas has a group called the Dunedin Rangers, a bunch of ragtag, well armed individuals in the Dunedin area. I was part of a group of reenactors that all lived in and around Dunedin, and we were part of a military museum called NASLEMM that is commonly called the "two of every gun museum" operated by long time gun collector Bill Douglas. It is very weird how similar we are to the story in the game.

Eric,

Could be a coincidence, most likely. Maybe the author was from Florida and incorporated some local characteristics and groups

Tony

[simonmark6]

I would have thought that the writer couldn't resist the temptation of dropping in an easter egg, Dunedin Rangers is just to close to Dunedain Rangers to resist.

[helbent4]

I would have thought that the writer couldn't resist the temptation of dropping in an easter egg, Dunedin Rangers is just to close to Dunedain Rangers to resist.

Simon,

Sure, that sounds logical, I never even made the connection. It could certainly have been in homage or a nod to the Donedain Rangers in Lord of the Rings.

Tony

[Adm.Lee]

I never noticed that until you posted it above.

Probably noticed it now, since we are showing my sons "Lord of the Rings" this week, 1 hour at a time.