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    27 (Polish) Regiment Special Air Service

    The brainchild of Major (then Captain) Alexander Poponick of 23 SAS, this unit was first established as P Troop 23 SAS in January 1996. It composed of the children (and often the grand sons) of Polish immigrants (many of whom had remained in the UK after the second World War). Recruiting primarily from the Polish communities in the East and West Midlands provided a core group of fluent Polish speakers to which were added a number of Regular and TA NCOs who were also fluent in Polish.

    Advertisements were placed in local and national papers for fluent Polish speakers and the forces records checked for possible candidates. After selection through the Intelligence Corps depot at Ashford, successful candidates were trained as part of the standard SAS selection training (although expanded to allow for the initial lack of military skills). Out of the initial 200 candidates the numbers were whittled down to 38 (although a number of the unsuccessful ones were redeployed to Intelligence Corps).

    The first operation undertaken was Operation Furnace in December 1996, where the troops were inserted onto the Baltic coast. Here they undertook a number of sabotage operations but more usefully acted as fake military police directing Pact traffic down the wrong roads in a manner similar to the German Operation Grief during the Battle of the Bulge. Credited with slowing down two divisions by over two days when their rear echelons were both sent through the same small town. Of the 38 troops, 24 made it back to NATO lines in January (and a further 4 after an epic march via Warsaw in April).

    Permission was given in February 1997 to expand the troop to squadron size as P Squadron. Further recruiting expanded numbers to two troops and the unit was renamed as 27 (Polish) SAS in April 1997 as a deception about its strength. Major Poponick was appointed commanding officer. He was instrumental in the peculiarities of dress and regimental march listed below. Despite extensive attempts to recruit, strength has never risen past two troops.

    Since then the unit has continued its role of behind the lines operations and has worked with 21SAS on recovery of shot down pilots on a number of occasions. It has also operated in the role of co-ordinating anti-Pact groups in Poland (including joint operations with the American Green Berets 10SFG). As the front has stabilised it has moved back to Germany and is intended to give BAOR a special forces capability as the elements making up the Special Services Brigade are withdrawn to the UK.

    Stable belt: Red over white with a buckle showing the regimental badge
    Cap badge: The traditional SAS winged dagger
    TRF: Diamond, front red, rear white (rarely worn)
    Wings: SAS pattern
    Beret: Sand
    Lanyard: Mixed red and white
    Collar dogs: Polish Imperial Eagle
    Regimental March: The Eagle Has Landed March (apparently this was an unofficial march from the beginning but was formally adopted in January 1999)
    Strength: 59
    Current subordination: Theatre level for BAOR

  • #2
    James,

    Outstanding!

    Any specific and significant interactions with Polish Solidarność guerrillas or the Free Polish government's (fictional) Home Army That is, aside from being second banana to the 10th SFG.

    Tony

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    • #3
      Nice to see some material from Twilight 2000 Wiki (http://twilight2000.wikia.com/wiki/Twilight_2000_Wiki) making it's way into this forum.
      "You're damn right, I'm gonna be pissed off! I bought that pig at Pink Floyd's yard sale!"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Canadian Army View Post
        Nice to see some material from Twilight 2000 Wiki (http://twilight2000.wikia.com/wiki/Twilight_2000_Wiki) making it's way into this forum.
        It should do - I posted it there too. This is a slightly updated version.

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        • #5
          Excellent!
          My Twilight claim to fame: I ran "Allegheny Uprising" at Allegheny College, spring of 1988.

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          • #6
            Excellent (rubbing my hands like C Montgomery Burns)
            I will not hide. I will not be deterred nor will I be intimidated from my performing my duty, I am a Canadian Soldier.

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            • #7
              Now the question is would the SAS and the UK being as well as NATO would be willing to raise and sponsor such other units. Much like the British did during WWII. There were several French, Greek, and Polish to name just a handful of nations that had been fallen to Germany and Italy in Europe that were listed with UK and Commonwealth OOB during the duration of the war.

              Their was French and Belgian SAS units, Polish Armour Brigade and a Airborne Brigade as well many other troops.

              Would NATO Allies in 1997-1998 attempt to raise Brigades of troops from former allies and even some Polish and Czech Brigades to fight alongside it forces

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Abbott Shaull View Post
                Would NATO Allies in 1997-1998 attempt to raise Brigades of troops from former allies and even some Polish and Czech Brigades to fight alongside it forces
                Abbott,

                NATO made some impressive gains on their drive into the Soviet Union. Doubtless many Soviet units and individuals were cut off and unlike Warszawa, surrendered. In WWII the Germans raised different "White Russian" and Cossack units. During the Twilight War, it might make sense to recruit Russians and other "Soviet" ethnic groups to form their own units.

                Continuing from WWII, Canada was a primary source for non-English SOE personnel as the younger society was more ethnically diverse than the "mother country". If Canada doesn't form it's own Polish unit, it would make sense that a fair degree of the 27th SAS would be Poles from Canada or possibly even the USA.

                Tony

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                • #9
                  I've been told, and it might even have been true, that the Polish(-descended) population of Chicago makes it the 2nd largest Polish city in the world. Ditto the Hungarian population of Cleveland, a long time ago. I think I've heard the same for western Canada and Ukrainians (descended from Whites who fought the Bolsheviks in the '20s).

                  That would make for some recruiting grounds.
                  My Twilight claim to fame: I ran "Allegheny Uprising" at Allegheny College, spring of 1988.

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                  • #10
                    How about a PPA shoulder flash
                    I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Adm.Lee View Post
                      I've been told, and it might even have been true, that the Polish(-descended) population of Chicago makes it the 2nd largest Polish city in the world. Ditto the Hungarian population of Cleveland, a long time ago. I think I've heard the same for western Canada and Ukrainians (descended from Whites who fought the Bolsheviks in the '20s).

                      That would make for some recruiting grounds.
                      Adm.,

                      I can't speak for other ethnic groups, but the Ukrainian side of my family migrated from Czarist Gallicia to Saskatchewan around the turn of the century (well before the revolution). I've never heard of a specific White Russian motivation (too early) although that could be possible. It was more that the government and CN Rail advertised heavily in central and Eastern Europe at that time (pre-Revolution Russia) and many were lured by offers of free land in Saskatchewan. Members of my family didn't even speak English until sometime just after WWII.

                      I recall hearing about Ukrainian groups in Canada dedicated to maintaining links with the "old country". It's possible that they would work with western intelligence (receiving aid via Turkey and the Black Sea) or be recruited into various special operations groups.

                      Tony

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                      • #12
                        I for one don't see that NATO would find many benefits of recruiting such units in the long run. I can see them start the training process and what not, but would they be able to keep them together as a unit long enough to get them to the front before the unit would become to diluted

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Adm.Lee View Post
                          I've been told, and it might even have been true, that the Polish(-descended) population of Chicago makes it the 2nd largest Polish city in the world. Ditto the Hungarian population of Cleveland, a long time ago. I think I've heard the same for western Canada and Ukrainians (descended from Whites who fought the Bolsheviks in the '20s).
                          According to Wikitravel "Melbourne has the biggest Greek city population (over 800,000) outside Greece and the biggest Italian city population (over 230,000) outside Italy." OT but interesting.
                          sigpic "It is better to be feared than loved" - Nicolo Machiavelli

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Abbott Shaull View Post
                            I for one don't see that NATO would find many benefits of recruiting such units in the long run. I can see them start the training process and what not, but would they be able to keep them together as a unit long enough to get them to the front before the unit would become to diluted
                            Abbott,

                            In the main, most Canadians would probably be recruited into their local regiments, and so on, regardless of ethnic background.

                            At least for special-purpose units or for operating behind the lines, people who actually know the language and culture as natives would be invaluable. I could see a Commando (special operations company) of the Airborne regiment made up of Poles recruited to operate behind the lines, or Ukrainians to operate in the Ukraine.

                            Tony

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                            • #15
                              Ukrainian Emigres

                              I've probably mentioned this before, but I'd recommend the novel "The Devil's Alternative" by Frederick Forsyth for anyone interested in the topic of Ukrainian separatists taking on the Soviet Union.

                              It's set in the 1980's. Long story short, British and Canadian citizens of Ukrainian descent ally with Ukrainian separatists inside the Ukraine in an attempt to assasinate the Chairman of the KGB when he's visiting (I think) Kiev.

                              The leader of the group outside the Ukraine is the son of a Cossack who surrendered to the British after World War 2 and managed to avoid being deported to the Soviet Union (I think by getting a British woman pregnant - it's been a while since I read it, although I do recall that the author goes into a fair bit of detail on the character's background).

                              Here's a link to the wiki entry (which does have a number of plot spoilers)

                              Author of the unofficial and strictly non canon Alternative Survivor’s Guide to the United Kingdom

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