Favourite Civilian Pattern Car

[bobcat]

toyota hilux. or a Kia bongo truck.

hilux has MG mounts with a cheap COTs upgrade kit

bongo because you can carry an entire recce platoon loaded for bear and still have room for more guns plus it can take one helluva beating and keep going through the worst paths i've run them through (not that my old unit would ever "borrow" a vehicle from a local...)

[helbent4]

I was just going to type this. They're EVERYWHERE (except the US since I think 2006), so part wouldn't be a problem, and they damn near indestructible, ask Top Gear

CT,

I think the Hilux is the brand name for what would be considered a 4Runner in North America. They are not exactly the same but similar enough for pretty much all purposes. If so, they are ubiquitous here, too.

Like the Land Rover replacements, in Canada and the USA similar civilian vehicles are also used for light military transport. I'm not sure what the American 3/4 ton truck equivalent is called, but in the last decade the CF has been buying the 2003 Chevy Silverado MILCOTS (Military Civilian Off the Shelf), aka "Milverado".



The Milverado supplements and replaces the Bombardier-built Iltis jeeps. Although buys only occurred in our timeline once additional wartime funding was allocated to the CF in 2003, there's no reason this process would not have taken place in the 90's in the leadup to or after war is declared.

Tony

[TiggerCCW UK]

Lamborghini LM002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_LM002

http://www.youtube.com/watchv=t-1tBhVcAXg

[Mohoender]

I'll be very french but my choice (T2K choice I mean) will go to two french cars. Either a citroen 2CV or a Peugeot 504 (If unavailable, I would go for the VW Bug). All had great strong points:

Citron 2CV (deudeuche for those familiar with it):
- It will almost never die on you. In 1990, I found one dating back from 1954 in a dusty storage. It had not run for 15 years. We cleaned the engines and it started (also it couldn't run above 40mph). The fun part is that you still could start it by hand power.
- If it does, you can fix it with minimal tools. However, it is noisy very noisy.
- It can travel with 7 people in it (2 in the front, 3 in the back and 2 siting on the open roof) and still climb a hard slope (I'm sure as I did it, but actually we were 8).
- You can fit a weapon on the roof
- It will get you through rough terrain almost as well as a jeep

Peugeot 504
- As the deudeuche, it will never die on you.
- It can also be fixed with ease (ask those taxis still running in the middle of Africa)
- It is much bigger than the previous one
- If it's a diesel, it can run on 100% vegetable oil. As it will also run on domestic fuel you will seriously reduce your fuel supply problem (at least in Europe).

Whatever, Make a choice is hard but I would use a pre-1975 car. Even a "Trabant" will do fine. It was tricky but, in the end, it would always start.

[TiggerCCW UK]

The 504 is a great car - we had 4 or 5 of them over the years when I was growing up I don't remember us ever having any real mechanical problems with them at all.

[helbent4]

Mo,

The French vehicles are good choices! As long as it runs and is easy on maintenance, then there is a clear advantage. Off-road would be important, too, although most of the time it seems to me that PCs in vehicles tend to still stick the road. (Not all the time, but it seems when they need to go somewhere in a vehicle they need to go fast!)

I noticed something about RCAF's original choices. I don't think there is a "Chevy Roadmaster". There's the classic "Buick Roadmaster" (the same vehicle from Stephen King's From a Buick Eight). There's also the return of the mark in 1991 as basically a station wagon and then sedan.



Tony

[dvyws]

There's a small problem with the 2CV.

The bad guys aren't going to bother shooting at you. Four of them are going to wander over, pick it up, and turn it over so its on its roof and going nowhere.

[Someone not too popular had one of these when I was at college. We used to do this to his car about once a week. If we were in a good mood, we would let him get out first...]

Ah, the lighter side of the Apocalypse!

[Mohoender]

There's a small problem with the 2CV.

The bad guys aren't going to bother shooting at you. Four of them are going to wander over, pick it up, and turn it over so its on its roof and going nowhere.

[Someone not too popular had one of these when I was at college. We used to do this to his car about once a week. If we were in a good mood, we would let him get out first...]

Ah, the lighter side of the Apocalypse!

At least you need four bad guys. By the way you could have been brighter and the guy much less lucky. You can strip a 2CV of its body and remake it in less than 1:30 hour. To strip it of its body you need a simple key of 8 (for the 3 screws holding the sides), a crank of 19 ( for the 4 nuts holding the front part), for the hood you go by hand) and another key of 11 to get the doors. Then, you could have make it appear as normal until he would have opened the door.

I hope my words are the good ones.

Too bad you didn't know that at the time.

[dvyws]

No, the Mini had a more or less flat roof, while the 2CVs curved nicely. Phase 2 was rocking the car back and foreward until he was seasick....

Ah, we were a lovely buch! Supported the view I once heard that any group of sailors operating ashore in a game should check their morale as "barbarians"!

Anyway, the Mini is fairly nippy, even with those tiny wheels, and could leave the area before being caught and inverted.

[Mohoender]

No, the Mini had a more or less flat roof, while the 2CVs curved nicely. Phase 2 was rocking the car back and foreward until he was seasick....

Ah, we were a lovely buch! Supported the view I once heard that any group of sailors operating ashore in a game should check their morale as "barbarians"!

Anyway, the Mini is fairly nippy, even with those tiny wheels, and could leave the area before being caught and inverted.

Agree, I checked that's I why I changed

[Mohoender]

I bet you don't know what many people were saying: that a 2CV could make 0 to 60 in about a day.

[dvyws]

At least you need four bad guys. By the way you could have been brighter and the guy much less lucky. You can strip a 2CV of its body and remake it in less than 1:30 hour. To strip it of its body you need a simple key of 8 (for the 3 screws holding the sides), a crank of 19 ( for the 4 nuts holding the front part), for the hood you go by hand) and another key of 11 to get the doors. Then, you could have make it appear as normal until he would have opened the door.

I hope my words are the good ones.

Too bad you didn't know that at the time.

But.....

see, we were the Deck (seaman) trainees.

The engineers were our mortal enemies. (the 2CV owner was a [spit!] engineer).

Dismanting it was an engineer task, obviously.

As deck types, our options were limited to inverting it, repainting it [we did that once), or throwing it into the river Clyde - which would have been unseamanlike...

[dragoon500ly]

But.....

see, we were the Deck (seaman) trainees.

The engineers were our mortal enemies. (the 2CV owner was a [spit!] engineer).

Dismanting it was an engineer task, obviously.

As deck types, our options were limited to inverting it, repainting it [we did that once), or throwing it into the river Clyde - which would have been unseamanlike...

We tied one to a AVLB....then folded the bridge so the 2CV was left about 30 feet in the air.

Also saw a VW Beetle that tried to beat a M-60 tank through an intersection, didn't know that the front end could be squashed so flat!

[Mohoender]

Also saw a VW Beetle that tried to beat a M-60 tank through an intersection, didn't know that the front end could be squashed so flat!

Normal, the engine is at the rear. However, I once saw one doing the same with a BMW. The BMW had its front down, the VW simply had a scratch. M60 was simply a little too much.

[dragoon500ly]

When you start talking about civilian vehicles meeting military vehicles...

There is a story from Ft Knox, Kentucky about a M-60 tank and a 18-wheeler.

There is a highway called US 31E that cuts right through the middle of Ft Knox, the main maneuver area is on the south side of the post, while the gunnery ranges, gold vault, and main post or on the north side. There is a tank crossing that is marked and lighted to warn of movement of vehicles from one side to the other.

One night a tank crew of officers from the Officer Basic Armor Course were driving their tank through the crossing, a semi and trailer ran the warning lights and hit the tank just about dead center on its left side at what was later determined to be at a speed of 75+mph. The damage was extensive...

To the semi.

The semi was completely demolished, I was on the scene of the accident the next day and the only word to describe the wreckage was "confetti". Total damage to the tank...$600.00. The left rear sponson box and fender were destroyed.