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Contact could mean simply throwing a note tied to a rock over the heads of interposed enemy soldiers. It doesn't have to mean there's a clear corridor they can drive their entire unit through.
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If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
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Shakes head and thinks *another GDW flub* Yeah, that would make more sense and probably have more secure line of communication than the march back.Originally posted by Rainbow Six View PostComment
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Back in the early 80's when the game was written, they didn't have access to the internet and accurate books. Even so, they did a damn fine job with what was available to great a fictional world in which we get to play a game.Last edited by Legbreaker; 03-06-2011, 06:12 PM.If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
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Yes I will grant you that, but they seemed to lack some basics research... Then again they weren't the only one lack research abilities...Originally posted by Legbreaker View PostComment
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Time may have been in a bit short supply too. I believe they were publishing about one item every three days?
Not a bad effort since they were working out of what was basically little more the spare room of a house from my understanding.
I can't see anyone here managing to maintain such a good quality of work under the pressure they must have felt to meet publishing deadlines.If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
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That is the problem with lot of workshops that put out RPGs in general. In many cases they were 3 to 10 people working their butts off in spare rooms, garages and what not. The thing is few of these people even read the fiction books they were writing material for.Originally posted by Legbreaker View Post
By the time they produced Twilight 2000, GDW had already had large Traveller backing and were far from the days working where ever they could find space. One problem I do see is that the old paper research that these places had to do, where stuff got misplaced. Even in this computer age, it is easy for stuff to get misplaced on the old hard drive if one isn't careful.
Even the big company such as the company that use to make Dungeon and Dragons showed what happens when you get too big.Comment
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Was reading "Shattered Sword" which is an indepth review of the Battle of Midway from the Japanese prespective...great read! But the authors had a discussion of the Japanese seizure of Attu and Kiska Islands...
"As it developed, Attu and Kiska were to be trifling consolation prizes for the failure of Operation MI. Thier loss meant almost nothing to the Americans. Indeed, when he was informed of Attu's fall after the Battle of Midway had already transpired, U.S. Navy Secretary W. Fran Knox offered a pithy indictment of Yamamoto's plan by remarking that "Japan was either unable to understand modern war or not qualified to take part in it.""The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.Comment
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Yeah but the operation of retaking those island tied up resources. Not enough to affect the outcome of the war or to go as far as saying they prolonged the war, but still they tied up resources.Originally posted by dragoon500ly View Post
I think this is where the Alaska and Northwest Pacific Invasion angle comes in, even as bone headed as particular.Comment
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The sad thing is that it was the pressure of a few Congressmen that forced the Joint Chiefs to retake Kiska/Attu. Alaska Command was relucant to retake the islands due to the rather unique weather conditions that hampered any meaningful-sized air campaign. And the Japanese had just as much trouble in keeping the islands supplied. All in all, Kiska/Attu were an utter waste of resources to take, hold and retake. The only useful thing that came out of the entire Aleutian Campaign was the recovered Zero fighter that was repaired and flight tested to insure that the F6F Hellcat fighter outperformed the Zero...Originally posted by Abbott Shaull View PostThe reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.Comment
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Well yeah, considering that both Hawaii and Alaska were years from statehood to. Yeah and considering all the island that the Japanese had taken that they bypassed during the war. I am sure a few islands with little more than few thousand Japanese soldier on them was more of thorn in one side than any tactical importance....Comment
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In the Twilight War, I would think that a Soviet seizure of Alaskan territory would have propaganda implications that would inflate the importance of the fight beyond what might be reasonable (contesting control of the pipeline is important, contesting control of Nome or Bethel, Alaska, or any of the Aleutians . . . not so much).
In WW2, I don't know if this would have been the case. I haven't read the media coverage from back then, but get the sense that obscure Alaskan islands probably meant less to the public mindset than the Philipines back then. I'm not sure there was a burning need to reclaim American territory, as embodied by the islands out there in the middle of nowhere, but may be wrong.Comment
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The thing is there is reason why the Russian were so willing to sell Alaska in the first place. If they had some limited objectives, they could of used a force that was more tailored for those objectives instead of invading the Pacific Northwest with what amounted to a Front that found itself cut off.Comment
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In World War Two, here in the UK we spent 1940-1944 training a division for mountain and arctic warfare then deployed it to Holland...Originally posted by dragoon500ly View PostComment
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CENTCOM in T2K manages to hold onto Saudi Arabia with no serious drama, so NATO's oil situation is okay. Contesting Iran is important but kind of just the bonus round -- and an economy of force mission when the European theater is full tilt boogie. If they can hold without augmentation, especially not another heavy division, that's likely to be all they'll get.Comment
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One of the reasons why the Italian Campaign of WWII was such a meatgrinder, all of the trained "mountain" divisions had been deployed elsewhere. It was only until the French and their Algerian troops were deployed that mountain-trained troops actually fought in the mountains....Originally posted by James Langham View PostThe reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.Comment
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