Contact could mean simply throwing a note tied to a rock over the heads of interposed enemy soldiers. It doesn't have to mean there's a clear corridor they can drive their entire unit through.
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Originally posted by Rainbow Six View PostPer the Survivor's Guide to the UK, you also have the 6th UK Division making contact with US forces on the Yalu then retreating all the way back to Hong Kong when nukes started being used in China.
The retreat back to Hong Kong doesn't seem to make a great deal of sense to me - that's a distance of thousands of miles. If the 6th Division was in contact with US forces wouldn't it make more sense for it to fall back into Korea with the Americans rather than strike out to Hong Kong on its own
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Back in the early 80's when the game was written, they didn't have access to the internet and accurate books. Even so, they did a damn fine job with what was available to great a fictional world in which we get to play a game.Last edited by Legbreaker; 03-06-2011, 06:12 PM.If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
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Originally posted by Legbreaker View PostHindsight is a wonderful thing.
Back in the early 80's when the game was written, they dodn't have access to the internet and accurate books. Even so, they did a damn fine job with what was available to great a fictional world in which we get to play a game.
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Time may have been in a bit short supply too. I believe they were publishing about one item every three days
Not a bad effort since they were working out of what was basically little more the spare room of a house from my understanding.
I can't see anyone here managing to maintain such a good quality of work under the pressure they must have felt to meet publishing deadlines.If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
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Originally posted by Legbreaker View PostTime may have been in a bit short supply too. I believe they were publishing about one item every three days
Not a bad effort since they were working out of what was basically little more the spare room of a house from my understanding.
I can't see anyone here managing to maintain such a good quality of work under the pressure they must have felt to meet publishing deadlines.
By the time they produced Twilight 2000, GDW had already had large Traveller backing and were far from the days working where ever they could find space. One problem I do see is that the old paper research that these places had to do, where stuff got misplaced. Even in this computer age, it is easy for stuff to get misplaced on the old hard drive if one isn't careful.
Even the big company such as the company that use to make Dungeon and Dragons showed what happens when you get too big.
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Was reading "Shattered Sword" which is an indepth review of the Battle of Midway from the Japanese prespective...great read! But the authors had a discussion of the Japanese seizure of Attu and Kiska Islands...
"As it developed, Attu and Kiska were to be trifling consolation prizes for the failure of Operation MI. Thier loss meant almost nothing to the Americans. Indeed, when he was informed of Attu's fall after the Battle of Midway had already transpired, U.S. Navy Secretary W. Fran Knox offered a pithy indictment of Yamamoto's plan by remarking that "Japan was either unable to understand modern war or not qualified to take part in it.""The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.
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Originally posted by dragoon500ly View PostWas reading "Shattered Sword" which is an indepth review of the Battle of Midway from the Japanese prespective...great read! But the authors had a discussion of the Japanese seizure of Attu and Kiska Islands...
"As it developed, Attu and Kiska were to be trifling consolation prizes for the failure of Operation MI. Thier loss meant almost nothing to the Americans. Indeed, when he was informed of Attu's fall after the Battle of Midway had already transpired, U.S. Navy Secretary W. Fran Knox offered a pithy indictment of Yamamoto's plan by remarking that "Japan was either unable to understand modern war or not qualified to take part in it.""
I think this is where the Alaska and Northwest Pacific Invasion angle comes in, even as bone headed as particular.
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Originally posted by Abbott Shaull View PostYeah but the operation of retaking those island tied up resources. Not enough to affect the outcome of the war or to go as far as saying they prolonged the war, but still they tied up resources.
I think this is where the Alaska and Northwest Pacific Invasion angle comes in, even as bone headed as particular.The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.
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Well yeah, considering that both Hawaii and Alaska were years from statehood to. Yeah and considering all the island that the Japanese had taken that they bypassed during the war. I am sure a few islands with little more than few thousand Japanese soldier on them was more of thorn in one side than any tactical importance....
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In the Twilight War, I would think that a Soviet seizure of Alaskan territory would have propaganda implications that would inflate the importance of the fight beyond what might be reasonable (contesting control of the pipeline is important, contesting control of Nome or Bethel, Alaska, or any of the Aleutians . . . not so much).
In WW2, I don't know if this would have been the case. I haven't read the media coverage from back then, but get the sense that obscure Alaskan islands probably meant less to the public mindset than the Philipines back then. I'm not sure there was a burning need to reclaim American territory, as embodied by the islands out there in the middle of nowhere, but may be wrong.
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The thing is there is reason why the Russian were so willing to sell Alaska in the first place. If they had some limited objectives, they could of used a force that was more tailored for those objectives instead of invading the Pacific Northwest with what amounted to a Front that found itself cut off.
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Originally posted by dragoon500ly View PostLike to throw out a couple of thoughts...
Does anyone else find the deployments of some of the powers to be, well, more than a little odd For example, the 6th Light Infantry Division was formed to be the garrison for Alaska with the secondary mission of reinforcing Korea. And yet GDW has the division in Central Europe. A division trained for artic/mountain warfare in the Central German Plain
Ditto for the 10th Mountain Division. When this division was formed, its mission was to serve as the main reinforcement for Norway and yet it winds up on the Pacific Northwest...
The 40th Mechanized Infantry Division is a CA-NG division with no NATO mission, in fact it was always considered to be a reinforcement for the Persian Gulf...And while the RDF of one airborne, one air assault, one motorized, one mechanized and two marine divisions, is a powerful force. It is sadly lacking in offensive punch, especially with the task of securing a major oil reserve. Its only NATO reinforcement is an ad-hoc British/Gurkha brigade that lacks most of the attachments that a brigade would bring with it.
Considering that the Persian Gulf would provide a majority of the oil products used by NATO, one wonders if a larger commitment of troops to the gulf would be a more reasonable decision.
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CENTCOM in T2K manages to hold onto Saudi Arabia with no serious drama, so NATO's oil situation is okay. Contesting Iran is important but kind of just the bonus round -- and an economy of force mission when the European theater is full tilt boogie. If they can hold without augmentation, especially not another heavy division, that's likely to be all they'll get.
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Originally posted by James Langham View PostIn World War Two, here in the UK we spent 1940-1944 training a division for mountain and arctic warfare then deployed it to Holland...The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.
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