M67 90mm recoilless rifle

[ShadoWarrior]

Does anyone have TW 2013 stats for the M67 90mm recoilless rifle that US airborne troops are now using

[simonmark6]

It's on Paul's site under US rocket launchers.

[ShadoWarrior]

TW 2013 stats, please, not TW 2000.

[Panther Al]

Good grief. I didn't even think we would still be using those old things. I knew we did in Berlin for the longest while (Mid to late 80's I think), but that was it. Didn't think we would keep them around to get used over in Afghanistan. I wonder if we made new ammo for it, or going through old stocks - though I hope they had been given a solid QC lookover before issue if that was the case.

[pmulcahy11b]

The 82nd Airborne does not use the M67, AFAIK. The Rangers used to, but has since replaced them with the M3 Carl Gustav launcher. I imagine if the Airborne picked up the recoilless rifle, they too would use the M3.

[ShadoWarrior]

The 101st does.

[HorseSoldier]

Someone wasn't cool enough to rate new production Goose Guns as now used by Rangers, SF and whoever else. So they found some 90mm recoilless guns somewhere in storage and dusted them off. I'm amazed we still have ammo for the things.

[pmulcahy11b]

The 101st does.

Yeah, but the 101st isn't airborne anymore. They just think they are.

Sounds like we're getting to the "pull the old crap out of storage" situation...

[Legbreaker]

I'm fairly sure an old 90mm is good enough to give the current opposition forces a bad hair day...

[Tegyrius]

My heavy weapons design is a bit rusty and I'm running off Wikipedia and its sources, but try this:

Class it as a reusable rocket launcher (recoilless rifles don't exist as a discrete weapon class in Reflex).

The optic is a Mag-1 telescopic sight (factored into Speed)

M67 Recoilless Rifle

Capacity 1 (si)
Range Tight/Open
Speed 4/7/10
Bulk 4
Weight 17 kg
Barter Value GG550
Street Price $2,200

90mm Recoilless Rifle HEAT

Damage 45
Explosion Radius 3m, Blast 5, Frag 2
Weight 3.1 kg
Barter Value GG40
Street Price $400

90mm Recoilless Rifle Canister

Weight 1.8 kg
Barter Value GG80
Street Price $400

Inside CQB range, the round hasn't yet separated - treat a hit as a single solid projectile with Damage 24 and Penetration x2. At 25 meters from the muzzle (the CQB/Tight boundary), the round begins separating. From that point, it inflicts its primary effects in a 30-degree cone (yes, I know it actually spreads in an 8-degree cone, but try drawing an 8-degree cone on a dry-erase hex map). Through Tight range, everything in this cone takes a Frag 8 effect; through Medium range, everything in the cone takes a Frag 3 effect. Each projectile has Damage 3 and Penetration Nil.

- C.

[ShadoWarrior]

Thanks!

[Tegyrius]

No prob. Sorry it took me so long to get back to this.

I'm not especially fond of the low lethality of the flechette hits, but 8-grain projectiles aren't going to do a lot of damage individually. Let me know how it works out in play and I may take a look at adjusting that to represent multiple individual projectiles with each Frag "hit."

- C.

[95th Rifleman]

Afghanistan (and to a lesser degree, Iraq) has taught the west that their high-tech toys and gadgets might not be worth the money spent on them.

The old recoiless systems are bloody good and very effective against the kind of positions the taliban like to fight from. There is nothing in the world quite as fascinating as the ingenuity of the average soldier.

Back in the Falklands the Paras used the Milan anti-tank missles as bunker-busters against the argies (who had a distinct lack of tanks).

[StainlessSteelCynic]

They did have some of these though,



Yeah yeah, they only had 12* of them and the 66mm LAW rocket can stop them pretending to be little tanks and the M2 Browning can turn them into Swiss cheese but still...
And those Milans were probably getting close to their use-by date so somebody had to fire them off before they went bad...






* 6 at Port Stanley and 6 at Moody Brook. Vehicle in question is the Panhard AML-90

[pmulcahy11b]

Someone wasn't cool enough to rate new production Goose Guns as now used by Rangers, SF and whoever else. So they found some 90mm recoilless guns somewhere in storage and dusted them off. I'm amazed we still have ammo for the things.

It's those huge government warehouses! (Like on Raiders of the Lost Ark.) We probably have old Kentucky Long Rifles packed in Cosmoline in them, along with powder and ball.