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  • #46
    Another, more fuel efficient way to move cargo - river barges.

    Some quotes from a recent barge market report:

    On the Mississippi River system a single 200' x 35' x 12' inland river hopper barge (either open or closed) is capable of carrying 1,750 short tons of dry cargo which is the equivalent of 16 railcars or 70 semi-tractor/trailers. It will take 144 semi-tractor/trailers or 46 rail cars to replace a single 300' x 54', 27,500bbl tank barge hauling liquid bulk cargoes. Forty-one U.S. states, 16 state capitals and all states east of the Mississippi River are served by commercially navigable waterways. Railroads are 28.3% less fuel efficient than the U.S. inland waterway freight transportation system, based on revenue ton-miles per gallon - and the railroads are even more efficient than trucks.

    Ton-Miles/Gallon
    Inland Towing 576
    Railroads 413
    Truck 155

    The 12,000nm of U.S. inland and Intracoastal waterways, like highways, operate as a system, and much of the commerce moves on multiple segments. They serve as connecting arteries, much like neighborhood streets help people reach interstate highways. Over 1,023.5 million short tons of total commodities were on the inland and coastal waters of the U.S. in 2006, down 0.5% from 2005 and most of this was carried by barge. As of 31st December 2006 (with updates thru 30th August 2007) the U.S. fleet consisted of a total of 32,211 dry, deck, tank and other barges, up 159 barges over 2005.

    Barges range from under 10' in length for sectional units up to almost 1,000' in length and capable of performing myriads of chores including cargo transport, pipelay, heavy-lift, water-desalinization, power generation and offshore floating production / storage.

    In the United States, there were 23,281 freight and 4,370 tank barges documented with the U.S. Coast Guard as of July 2008, in addition to an estimated 10,000+ undocumented barges of various sizes in service.

    Flat deck barges carry cargoes on deck such as containers, gravel, construction equipment, multi-million dollar project cargoes and rolling stock. Most of the barges are single deck, although there are house, double and even triple deck ro/ro barges in service. According to the U.S. Maritime Administration, as of 31st December 2006 there were 5,492 deck barges in service in the U.S. with close to half over 25 years of age. In addition there are 154 "other dry cargo" barges that includes barges that may be open or covered, railroad car, pontoon, Ro-Ro, container or convertible - again with close to half of the barges 25 years or older.

    Hopper barges are designed to carry dry bulk cargoes such as grains, coal, ore or packaged goods in one or more holds similar to a ship. These holds can be either covered or open without hatch covers. As of 31st December 2006 there were 13,062 dry covered, 8,673 dry open hopper barges in the U.S. fleet according the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. 1,460 of the covered and 1,697 of the open barges were built within the previous five years. 36.4% of the covered and 19.1% open are older than 25 years of age. It is generally calculated that inland river hopper barges have a useful life of 25 to 30 years.

    Demand for coastwise transportation has fluctuated over the years, however petroleum and chemical products have always been a significant portion of domestic trade, representing 41.9% of all commodities carried in U.S. waters during 2006. Tank barges have been built from abt. 40' in length to over 600', with capacities from under 18,000 gallons to over 17,500,000 gallons (417,000bbl) of liquid cargo. As of 31st December 2006, 13.2% or 4,250 of the 32,211 barges in U.S. trade were in tank service.
    I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory. Someday this war's gonna end...

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    • #47
      Again, good info Chico. Barges have seen quite a bit of use in my current campaign. Major Po's unit has made use of them and recently during the pre-game of the new PC being introduced into the campaign barges have seen quite a lot of use around Chesapeake Bay and the connecting waterways in early December 2000 (weather permitting).
      sigpic "It is better to be feared than loved" - Nicolo Machiavelli

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      • #48
        Lpg

        Given circumstances its unlikely you'll be running cars on LPG in the T2Kverse, but if anyone's interested I've cribbed some useful info from one of my car-porn mags

        LPG = Liquid Petroleum Gas, a mix of 20-30% butane and 70-80% propane depending on who brewed it. It's usually a by-product of the oil industry rather than a dedicated production line, so it's likely to be in limited stock even before the collapse, though its fairly widely available in France and Australia. Of course if nobody else can use it you might find a big tank of the stuff untouched...

        Most petrol/gasoline engines can run LPG with minimal conversion, but will do so at a loss of at least 10% power and increase of at least 10% fuel consumption. LPG is actually higher octane than petrol, but is lower density so you need to use more of it. Better performance can be gained by advancing the ignition timing, increasing compression ratio and using a dedicated LPG injection system and mapped ignition rather than an old style venturii attached to the existing inlet manifold.
        However increasing CR is pretty much a one way ticket, and on newer engines might not even be possible due to tight modern tolerances.

        You'll also be happy to note that LPG is a much cleaner, greener fuel than petrol or diesel, so your modified humvees wont be adding to the environmental woes of post-apocalyptic Northern Europe

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        • #49
          Originally posted by O'Borg
          It's usually a by-product of the oil industry rather than a dedicated production line, so it's likely to be in limited stock even before the collapse, though its fairly widely available in France and Australia. Of course if nobody else can use it you might find a big tank of the stuff untouched...
          I don't know about Australia but for France you can say "was widely available". Actually the number of gas station delivering it have been reduced by about 2/3rd. This is becoming increasingly rare and, nowadays, mostly used by campers on their vans. A few years ago, several car could use it but today these are mostly industrial vehicle.

          Another problem with that thing is to fill up the tank. You might well find a full reserve of this thing and not being able to use it if you don't have the stuff to allow for the transfer (it has to remain liquid). A year ago I was behind a guy fillling his tank on his camping van, it took him seven minutes to fill in the tank. Another bad point if you are in a hury.

          One last point, older models using this had a bad tendancy to burst in flame (nice and fancy but not very practical) as the tank could backfire. They have fixed that problem of course but on a model which is in not so good a shape because of general neglect, that might be a risk again. A good way to change your players in nice fireworks .

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Mohoender
            One last point, older models using this had a bad tendancy to burst in flame (nice and fancy but not very practical) as the tank could backfire. They have fixed that problem of course but on a model which is in not so good a shape because of general neglect, that might be a risk again. A good way to change your players in nice fireworks .
            Actually backfires on gasoline engines in the carburation days were not all that uncommon, especially on engines that didn't have tune-ups on regular basis. I've had more than a couple carb fires, though not explosions that you seem to be describing. Here in Texas, esp in areas where natural gas is produced, you see ranch vechiles using LPG. As indicated else where, LPG is a dry substance, hence no lubricating factors in it, which will result eventually in more engine wear than with liquids. We're talking cumulative here, not much noticed short term.

            Grae

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Mohoender
              I don't know about Australia but for France you can say "was widely available". Actually the number of gas station delivering it have been reduced by about 2/3rd. This is becoming increasingly rare and, nowadays, mostly used by campers on their vans. A few years ago, several car could use it but today these are mostly industrial vehicle.
              Here in Perth, Western Australia large numbers of private vehicles run on LPG as do many buses and most (nearly all) taxis. There are truly enormous gas reserves off the NW coast of Western Australia so we aren't going to be running out of natural gas any time soon.
              sigpic "It is better to be feared than loved" - Nicolo Machiavelli

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              • #52
                Originally posted by chico20854
                Some of the smaller ones on my web site's ship design page (http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeedox4/ship_designs.html):

                USS Betsy Ross: 5.83 gallons/nm
                Atlantik-class Soviet trawler: 8.5 tons diesel/day at 13 knots; 6.0 tons diesel/day at 12 knots
                passenger-cruise boat: 3.24 gallons/nm at 10.5 knots
                supply/salvage tug #2: 12.5 tons/day at 12 knots, 10.1 tons/day at 10 knots.

                and...
                NOAA's Rude, 12 tons of fuel goes 800nm at 10 knots!
                there are som designs here too www.thebigbookofwar.50megs.com
                The Big Book of War - Twilight 2000 Filedump Site
                Guns don't kill people,apes with guns do.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Graebarde
                  Actually backfires on gasoline engines in the carburation days were not all that uncommon, especially on engines that didn't have tune-ups on regular basis. I've had more than a couple carb fires, though not explosions that you seem to be describing. Here in Texas, esp in areas where natural gas is produced, you see ranch vechiles using LPG. As indicated else where, LPG is a dry substance, hence no lubricating factors in it, which will result eventually in more engine wear than with liquids. We're talking cumulative here, not much noticed short term.

                  Grae
                  As I said the burning problem was on older models. Nowadays, you see it only with buses in Paris. I don't think I have heard of one of these things burning since the early 1990's. However, one of the bus burnt something like last year.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Targan
                    Here in Perth, Western Australia large numbers of private vehicles run on LPG as do many buses and most (nearly all) taxis. There are truly enormous gas reserves off the NW coast of Western Australia so we aren't going to be running out of natural gas any time soon.
                    Might be the problem with us. We ran out about 15 years ago and prices have kept rising ever since. Nevertheless, I almost never used gas for anything as I had a fun experience with it during winter vacation.

                    The gas shot down and an ex-girlfriend opened the hot water somewhere in the house (she was not very smart and decided not to care about everyone shouting that no one was to use the hot water). Of course, I was the one igniting the heater and the sight of a 3 meters long flame, with my hand in the middle, was very impressive. I also discovered that it was better to have your hand at the beginning of the flame than at the end of it. I didn't feel a thing while another girl (standing further away) was smelling like fried pig.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Mohoender
                      Might be the problem with us. We ran out about 15 years ago and prices have kept rising ever since. Nevertheless, I almost never used gas for anything as I had a fun experience with it during winter vacation.

                      The gas shot down and an ex-girlfriend opened the hot water somewhere in the house (she was not very smart and decided not to care about everyone shouting that no one was to use the hot water). Of course, I was the one igniting the heater and the sight of a 3 meters long flame, with my hand in the middle, was very impressive. I also discovered that it was better to have your hand at the beginning of the flame than at the end of it. I didn't feel a thing while another girl (standing further away) was smelling like fried pig.
                      Ouch!!!!!! YOU were lucky, but sounds as if the girl wasn't so. Do you heat much with wood where your at

                      Grae

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Graebarde
                        Ouch!!!!!! YOU were lucky, but sounds as if the girl wasn't so. Do you heat much with wood where your at

                        Grae
                        The girl was lucky too as she got only her hair burnt. She was more angry too.

                        For the heat we use fuel plus wood burnt in an old and very good 150 years old fireplace. The house itself is from 1860 with 60-80cm walls made from a combination of sand (Pis like) and stone. It is quite heat efficient and the local weather requires heat for only about 4-5 month a year. We usually start the heater in mid-November and cut it around early April.

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                        • #57
                          Solid fuels and steam operations

                          What would alternative fuel talk be without discussion of solid fuels (wood and coal) and steam. First the energy unit I will use is BTU (British thermal unit) which is defined as the amount of energy needed to raise one pound of water one degree F. at 60 degrees F. (from 60 to 61 is the measure). One BTU is ~1055 joule.

                          First we address the BTU values of some common fuels. It will help us understand why there is a loss of power resulting in increased consumption with fuels such as the alcohols. These figures are in BTU per unit of measure, usually gallons or pounds.

                          Gasoline 125000 /gal
                          Fuel Oil 149690 /gal (household heating fuel)
                          Kerosene 135000 /gal (also known as light distillate)
                          Diesel fuel 138690 /gal (medium distillate)
                          Ethanol 84400 /gal
                          Methanol 62800 /gal
                          Crude Oil 138095 /gal
                          Liquid Pet. Gas 95475 /gal
                          Natural Gas 1008 /Cubic foot
                          Electric 3413 /kilowatt

                          Coal per pound
                          Anthracite 12500 (hard coal found primarily in Pennsylvania)
                          Bituminous 12000 (most common high value coal used for coke in steel mills)
                          Sub-bituminous 9000 (what theyre mining in Wyoming)
                          Lignite 7000 (brown coal)

                          Common Representative wood, air dried values, green wood is about 75% value of dry wood.
                          Hickory 5800
                          Oak 5790
                          Pine 6390


                          I addressed steam engines for locomotives in another post, but stationary use of steam for such things as mill operations (sawmill, cotton gins, and electric plants) would be coming back I think. What made me think of the was Chicos mention of clearing roads in the South, where they were going to just burn it, why not burn it for fuel to help industry and heat the homes

                          A rule of thumb for steam operation taken from Lacy 1913 (old but applicable I think) for simple steam (as verses compounds). There is one pound of coal per six gallons of water used. I would base it on bituminous, the most common of coals in use, especially when this was written. So how much water do you use. There are some variables, so I have taken the highest value found for consumption to <over estimate. Water consumption is ~30 pounds of water per hour per horsepower. Most common found semi-portable steam engines of the era mentioned and most easily reconstructed are the 30-70 hp.

                          Using a 75 hp Case steam tractor for an example, this engine would consume ~2250 gallons of water per hour. LOTS of water, and it needs to be GOOD clean water to keep maintenance down if possible. It would require 375 pounds of bituminous coal per hour as well. Not really feasible for a sawmill to haul in coal, so typically slab wood was burned. Lets assume they are cutting hardwood such as hickory, a very common tree across the entire eastern US. Bituminous coal has ~12000 BTU/pound, where as the hickory has only ~5800 BTU/pound if dry. The wet would have ~4350 BTU/pound. It would take ~1030 pounds of green hickory per hour. Hickory has a density (dry) of ~50 pounds/cubic foot or using our measure ~70 pounds/CF wet. Thats ~15 CF of wood/hour.

                          A mill of the size this engine can run should be able to put out at least 44,000 board feet of rough-cut lumber a day with a crew (including the woodsmen) of 45. (This is based on the old Engineer Sawmill teams. Use to have the TO&E for that unit. Nice set up too.) This is equivalent to ~140 18 x 20-foot saw logs. Each of these logs will produce ~312 board foot of useable lumber, while leaving ~0.45 cubic feet of slab. Operating ten-hours per day, thats ~14 logs per hour for a short fall of ~9 CF per hour in wood. But there is plenty of top slash, etc from the operation. Yes it requires transporting, but mules, oxen, or horses can be used. And I would <rush a rail operation into the mix if at all possible. Even slow moving land trains (each tractor pulling 2-4 trailers depending on the grades). If you can get ahead of the game, there is no speed march needed to get the fuel in as long as its ahead.

                          A steam engine can burn all sorts of things, from wood and coal, to grass, straw, cottonseed hulls, solid waste, and if you have it oil that doesnt need high refining. Just some thoughts again.

                          Grae

                          PS. I will send a pdf copy of Ludy's Steam Engines to anyone interested. It doesn't seem to want to attach here, perhaps too large.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Mohoender
                            The girl was lucky too as she got only her hair burnt. She was more angry too.

                            For the heat we use fuel plus wood burnt in an old and very good 150 years old fireplace. The house itself is from 1860 with 60-80cm walls made from a combination of sand (Pis like) and stone. It is quite heat efficient and the local weather requires heat for only about 4-5 month a year. We usually start the heater in mid-November and cut it around early April.
                            She got off lucky, and imagine she was a 'bit upset'.

                            The old masonry houses with thick walls are great heat sinks. Warm in winter, once the walls get heated up initally, and generally cool in summer. Helps keep the heating bill down for sure.

                            Grae

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                            • #59
                              Alterative Lubricant

                              Just thought of a way to avoid needing grease for a chain-drive bike or motorcycle--get a paraffin candle and grate it into small particles, grind up the graphite from numerous pencils and combine. Melt in a double boiler and brush the mixture into the drive chain. Rotate the chain through its path, and repeat until all crevices have been treated.
                              "Let's roll." Todd Beamer, aboard United Flight 93 over western Pennsylvania, September 11, 2001.

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