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  • #46
    Evenin'

    I'm well behind on my plans to complete the remaining parts of this by the end of 2011 (why does work take up so much time!), but attached is an updated order of battle for HM Forces. There are no major changes, just a few amendments to the Army's support units and a rewrite of the RAF in which I've tried to incorporate some of the great suggestions put forward in this thread, particularly the Grob motor glider. I've also changed the Household Brigade to the 32nd (Guards) Infantry Brigade and introduced a Joint Services Command.

    I've also added an additional two TA Infantry Battalions (4 RIR and 4 WFR) to bolster the forces in Southern England. I've added a comment to the timeline stating that those two Battalions were brought back from Germany after the 1997 nuclear exchanges to help maintain order.

    Comments welcome.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Rainbow Six View Post
      Good point. Maybe in creating a whole new Regiment I've been over thinking this too much. RAC Bovington Battle Group would work (which fits with an idea I had earlier of the rest of the Army referring to it informally as the Bovington Light Horse...), as would Task Force something. And they do have a Company of TA Infantry under command as well...



      Sounds interesting...
      A battlegroup would normally be a mix of infantry and armour so that fits. A few other options on the name:

      1/RAC (Composite)
      Holmes Force (named after the commander - use name of choice)
      Bovington Composite Rgt (RAC)
      Composite Rgt (RAC)

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      • #48
        Cheers James.

        As it happens I eventually ended up just sticking with RAC Training Regiment. After some thought I discounted Battlegroup as I thought it sounded a little too "aggressive" as long as the Regiment was in cantonment at Bovington and I thought something like 1st Regiment, RAC might open up a can of worms from a lineage point of view.

        Still intend to have the rest of the Army call it the Bovington Light Horse though...
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        • #49
          Just wondering what dose Bovington have that is in running condition
          I will not hide. I will not be deterred nor will I be intimidated from my performing my duty, I am a Canadian Soldier.

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          • #50
            A long as the armoured Rolls Royce is still going, I don't give a monkey's chuff. I've loved that car since I had a ride in it during my first visit to Bovington in the late seventies. I go there now and look at the museum and say, "I remember when all this was fields..."

            My school used to do Geography Fieldwork in Swanage in the early '90s and we used to do a day looking at how the army preserved the environment in the grounds. If I remember correctly, the vehicles being used at that time included:

            FV 432
            Cargo version of the M113
            Fox armoured car
            Rolls Royce Armoured car
            Centurion
            Chieftan
            Early Chally

            Those were what came out regularly, I also heard they had a couple of Panzers (Mk I and MK IV) and later they were receiving Soviet gear from Desert Storm and some of those worked, barely. The ones above are those that are likely to be working with maybe some of the other armoured cars being made to work, mostly variants of the Fox and Ferret as well as a Humber Pig and a Saladin.

            There would have been a couple of dozen able to be used as pill boxes with guns running from 155mm to about 76.2mm.

            There would also be a fair number of recovery vehicles around and a decent number of old timers that knew a lot about kit bashing: it was the time where the volunteers were basically rebuilding a Tiger Tank from scratch.

            How many survived the war Age would be against them but location would be a plus, good farmland, access to coastal fishing, some excellent defensive positions and yo can't spit without hitting a squaddie (not that I ever tried).

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            • #51
              An excellent work Rainbow Six - love the modifications you have made, ones that turn what was to me a very unsatisfactory Survivors Guide into one that is much more realistic and playable.

              And having at least one operable SSN for the RN is not only very believeable but also supports what I will be posting as to an alternate timeline after Omega - that having only one surviving SSN in the whole world and one surviving boomer is just not realistic.

              And having Ark Royal damaged and tied up at her berth isnt a huge deviation from canon as it sounds - for one even if you have her fixed up you still need to find fuel for her planes and for her.

              One question - are the American forces you have here pre or post Omega

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              • #52
                Thanks Olefin, glad you like it.

                My version is based on a 01 June 2000 date, so all the US forces listed are pre Omega.

                if you read the section on the Soviets, I did think it might make for quite an interesting storyline if Major Ivanova of the GRU finds out about Omega in advance from her source at HQUSNAVEUR and has to try and find a way of communicating the information to her superiors in Russia.
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                • #53
                  Part Four - Marauder Groups

                  I finally made a deadline...sort of. I know I'd originally hoped to have this done by Christmas, but I have managed to make my revised deadline of the end of May with a few days to spare!

                  Attached a selection of marauder groups. It's obviously impossible to list every marauder group in the UK, so I've tried to present a selection that can be used as "templates" so to speak and can be relocated to other areas should a GM wish ...so for example whilst I have placed the Beasts of the Moor on Ilkley Moor, they could be just at home on Dartmoor, Glencoe, etc, etc.

                  As the work evolved a few groups didn't make the final cut, most notably the North Preston Front, for whom I have six different drafts saved, none of which I was happy with, so when I figured that after two weeks I didn't have something that I thought was workable, perhaps I needed to reconsider (as a comparison, Bloody Mary took me two days to write, so sometimes something just feels "right" while something else feels as though it will never get there - the NPF fell into the latter category).

                  A few groups also changed their names from that put forward in the Regional Guide, most noticeably the Outlaws, which became Bandito Yankee (which is in keeping wih the original material). I will at some point post an updated timeline / Regional Guide (and timeline) which will correct these changes.

                  A few other general comments...the Border Reivers was a joint piece with RN7, who did at least half the work, if not more. Thanks mate for your help with that. The Duke of Cornwall and Konev's Wolves have both been posted before, but putting them here keeps everything in one thread (there are a few very, very minor changes to the Duke of Cornwall).

                  The gang of football hooligans in Birmingham is still in progress...I have the main group done, but I think I need to develop it slightly by doing some work on the other gangs in the City, so am holding back on that one for now.

                  Finally, some of the material, particularly Bloody Mary and the Beasts of the Moor are probably rated as a 15 (UK) / PG13 (US) at least.

                  As ever, comments / feedback etc most welcome.
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                  • #54
                    And the others...
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                    • #55
                      Rainbow - great articles thanks for posting. Would you object if I took elements from them and incorporated them into my own UK Guide (which is more canon based).

                      If it would help, I lived in Birmingham from 1987-1992 and may be able to provide any help you need. I also did a two week camp at Oakhampton so might be able to provide the odd detail there too.

                      Please keep writing.

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                      • #56
                        Thanks James. I don't mind at all if you want to take parts of it for your own piece - be my guest. I will get back to you on Birmingham - I'd be most grateful for any local insights you can offer.

                        I've been spending a fair amount of time on this recently so plan to follow my usual practice of taking a break for a couple of weeks (which goes a long way towards maintaining my domestic harmony!) then I'll continue work on the Birmingham piece and lawful groups (East Anglians, Highland Coalition, Free City of Carlisle, plus probably a few others). Also in the pipeline are short pieces on the Dutch Government in exile (long overdue) and the Secret Intelligence Service (I originally left the SIS out delibarately as I figured it didn't really fit in to a guide to the UK, but in hindsight I think it probably warrants a short piece).
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                        • #57
                          Great work here Rainbow Six. I think I see a few things from films here as well.

                          28 Days Later, Essex Boys, Bonded by Blood, Rise of the Footsoldier, The Road, The Hills have Eyes and something of Def Con 4 perhaps!

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                          • #58
                            Thanks RN7. You're right about some of the films, although believe it or not, I've never seen the Road. Bad Company was very definitely inspired by the soldiers in 28 Days Later (to the extent I included the pic of Chris Ecclestone as Sergeant Barrett). I had originally intended to make Barrett an officer (I do have a draft where he is a Major), but I didn't want him to turn int a clone of the Duke of Cornwall and I was happy with the backstory I came up with to have him as an NCO.

                            The Essex Boys are definitely an amalgamation of a number of influences, including aforementioned films, but there's also meant to be a hint of Saddam Hussein and (especially) his son, Uday in there as well.

                            The Beasts of the Moor are basically my interpretation of the Sawney Bean legend, which I believe was indeed the inspiration for the Hills Have Eyes (amongst others).

                            Another couple of films that have infuenced me are Doomsday, starring Rhona Mitra and a Paul Verhoeven film from the 80's called Flesh and Blood which stareed Rutger Hauer and was set in the Middle Ages - there are probably a couple of references to both of those dotted around here and there as well.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Rainbow Six View Post
                              Thanks RN7. You're right about some of the films, although believe it or not, I've never seen the Road. Bad Company was very definitely inspired by the soldiers in 28 Days Later (to the extent I included the pic of Chris Ecclestone as Sergeant Barrett). I had originally intended to make Barrett an officer (I do have a draft where he is a Major), but I didn't want him to turn int a clone of the Duke of Cornwall and I was happy with the backstory I came up with to have him as an NCO.

                              The Essex Boys are definitely an amalgamation of a number of influences, including aforementioned films, but there's also meant to be a hint of Saddam Hussein and (especially) his son, Uday in there as well.

                              The Beasts of the Moor are basically my interpretation of the Sawney Bean legend, which I believe was indeed the inspiration for the Hills Have Eyes (amongst others).

                              Another couple of films that have infuenced me are Doomsday, starring Rhona Mitra and a Paul Verhoeven film from the 80's called Flesh and Blood which stareed Rutger Hauer and was set in the Middle Ages - there are probably a couple of references to both of those dotted around here and there as well.
                              I thought Beasts of the Moor was very reminiscent of a Torchwood episode from series 1 although I can't remember the name.

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                              • #60
                                Steam trains




                                I had no idea there were so many of these

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