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  • #16
    Originally posted by Raellus View Post
    Good thought, Nate. It's one that I wrestled with quite a bit. I wanted the situation to be a little bit morally ambiguous. In other words, I didn't want it to be too obvious what an a-hole Damian is. Otherwise, PCs would almost automatically always rescue the girls. On the other hand, if it isn't clear, he's likely to get a pass.

    In my PbP, the PCs didn't even try to talk to the girls. They simply paid Damian some captured gold jewelry for information on what was waiting downriver. They also neglected to tell Damian about a marauder toll station they'd passed upriver. He barely escaped with his life and the girls were all taken. Who knows what happened to them after that. Maybe if I'd made it obvious that the girls were dragooned, they would have pressed a bit. GM's have to tread a fine line lest they be accused of railroading their players.
    Yup...

    Most Players would have the feeling that the working girls are there on their own merits and not really be conscerened with it, but if they know that the girls were dragooned and forced to do this... they'd stand up to the three thugs and do something to help them. Its just that kind of situtation...

    But if the hint that the girls were there against their will was there, the PCs would get involved... especially if the scumlord's try to recruit a female PC or team NPC to join the stable...
    Fuck being a hero. Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothing! You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah blah blah, attaboy! You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, your kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. I do this because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so I'm doing it.

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    • #17
      Life is cheap in T2k - loveable pimps & hookers

      Damian fits perfectly into the non-mililtary-but-still-harsh-civil-part of the world, which should be ever present in Twilight.
      When i am preparing for scenarios where the players are involved with less open combat and more "civil affairs", i like to watch some "Deadwood" for get the right feel to it.
      ("The Walking Dead"-Comics, or S.Kingss "The Stand"-Book are other, random, inspirational sources, to name a few).

      In that HBO-series most characters and circumstances/work-conditions seemed to be morally grey.
      There are more generally accepted bad things (at least from our current, civilized point of view): prostitution is more common, child- and many forms of slave-labour, animal- and pitfights (ususally not to the death - but still brutish) making up for the lack of TV and other entertainment (gambling for the starving masses!), etc.

      The grey line - to differ from a B-movie-plot and make it more convincing - should be, that there ARE at least some rules. And when someone breaks them, there are definitve consequences (depending on local cultures and law) you can count on. And the GM should be considering those very carefully BEFORE presenting an obvious moral dilemma like "freeing poor people from their lousy bosses".

      F.e. in the Krakow-Module its pretty obvious that the robotniki-workers with their yearlong "contract" are nothing else than cheap slaves, which try to get papers to be accepted as citizens afterwards.
      BUT as a workforce, at least their lives should be better, than that of a destitute refugee outside of the city-walls (the robotniki get at least some food and the Ormo-guards make sure that they dont break their contract by running away AND protecting them).

      In Deadwood Al Swearengens Hookers are made up of all kinds of women - most seem to be beaten individuals with a rising drugproblem, a few are making a living with some dignity and even gain some influence for knowing prestigious customers...
      Besides that - Swearengen is not only a brutish pimp. He has certain traits which makes him (at least sometimes) a likeable person, too.
      With Damians description, we get a chance of creating another, "believable" character - which the players should not shoot that easy, too.
      The little, neat details of his floating brothel are pointing out, that there is more, than just another bad guy to shoot. There a living people on that boat, which carved out their own niche of survival on the Vistula-River.

      In my gameworld, the players should be considering real careful to mix with local affairs - like "freeing" Damians hookers.
      Some would be glad, but the players than would have to take care of the girls somehow (f.e. imagine a 14 year old girl, being freed by them - now they have a new dependent! THATS a liability for at least some time!). Others would actually be loyal toward their pimp - maybe to the suprise of some characters.
      When i will use Damians brothel in the future, i will detail the girls a bit, to make sure to know whos going in which direction...
      Look at the relation of Deadwoods "Trixie" and "Al".
      Maybe he beats her up on a regular basis.. but that is predictable to her and shes used to that by now. If someone would shoot Swearengen - their would be no one to protect her anymore from the streetscum, if she isnt offered a totally different income...
      And as one of "Al s Veteran-girls", she actually has achieved some power within the brothel, as long as its about her business. The first episode starts with her shooting a violent customer, gets beaten up brutally by Al (even threatend with a quick death), BUT he doesnt kill her - it would cost him even more... (and he "kind of likes her" in his own way).
      Or think of "Bama" from "True Romance". Juicy bits of "Hooker"-related-NPC-Diversion.

      I use the T2k-Motivations and some character-traits/alignments from the "Heroes Now"-Book. We roll regularly for these traits to modify the players decisions. The players have their freedom to act, but depending on their rolls of "local" or "general" knowledge, i give them insights their PCs would have, BEFORE acting to fast.

      When my players would kill Damian and than leave girls in need, they should be aware, that their attitudes could shift into negative directions for good.
      They would earn darkside traits (not in a high percentage to begin with, but if they keep behaving irresponsible, or even brutal - they could earn some nasty shit, they cant control anymore in later situations).

      The true "Heroes" (in my opinion) are those PCs, which would still free the poor girls AND take care of them afterwards. The ones which consider the disadvantages of a certain path before drawing their guns, but still do it...
      Right now i have at least one "Bullock"-like PC in the group, which always asks for trouble in the name of moral standarts.
      The GM-fun for me is, to work with changes of the game-focus between the main-plot AND a lot of these optional (selfmade by the players if they care enough) "side-missions".

      The twists and turns encounters like that offer are my juice!
      Hmmmm- yummy GM-Food!
      Last edited by Tombot; 07-29-2011, 06:02 AM.

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      • #18
        Now that you have available women, someone needs to generate the incomparable Festrunk brothers, Jorge and Yortep, from SNL. A pair of really out-of-it "swingers" whose mindset never left the 70's and are looking to hook up with "foxes". The tale of how they got out of Bratislava might be a saga all unto itself. Although their homemade"sex machine" does indicate some mechanical engineering abilities....

        Two wild and crazy guys, anyone
        "Let's roll." Todd Beamer, aboard United Flight 93 over western Pennsylvania, September 11, 2001.

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        • #19
          Like in "Fear and Loathing on the Vistula"
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Tombot View Post
            Like in "Fear and Loathing on the Vistula"
            Or alternatively there's a candidate archetype for the embedded reporter PC in Nate's campaign
            sigpic "It is better to be feared than loved" - Nicolo Machiavelli

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            • #21
              I did a drawing of Damian for Rae and he asked me to post it for everyone to enjoy...

              I'm going to see what i can do to add a pair of aviator sunglasses...



              Fuck being a hero. Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothing! You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah blah blah, attaboy! You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, your kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. I do this because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so I'm doing it.

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              • #22
                Good portrait and nice colours, nate !

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                • #23
                  Thank you... i'm working with a new set of markers and still learning a new series of tricks with them.
                  Fuck being a hero. Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothing! You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah blah blah, attaboy! You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, your kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. I do this because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so I'm doing it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by natehale1971 View Post
                    Thank you... i'm working with a new set of markers and still learning a new series of tricks with them.
                    Do you use Prismacolor or similar

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by kato13 View Post
                      Do you use Prismacolor or similar
                      Yes... my sister got me some Copic markers with a series of flesh tones, and they are working great i think. i'm still learning how to do african-american and oriental skin tones, and hoping to be able to do them right soon.
                      Fuck being a hero. Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothing! You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah blah blah, attaboy! You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, your kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. I do this because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so I'm doing it.

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                      • #26
                        This is the tattoo i need to add to his chest...

                        Nie Nostki is Polish for "No Dice" the same tattoo that the actor he's modeled on has tattooed on his chest.



                        Fuck being a hero. Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothing! You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah blah blah, attaboy! You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, your kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. I do this because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so I'm doing it.

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                        • #27
                          He doesn't look quite sleazy enough for what I remember of my two encounters with him. He had that feeling that if he so much as breathed on you, you'd need industrial solvent to clean off the grease.
                          If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

                          Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

                          Mors ante pudorem

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by natehale1971 View Post
                            I did a drawing of Damian for Rae and he asked me to post it for everyone to enjoy...
                            I like those pictures, they make Damian look like the proper mix of suave and sleaze. Looks like he could be a nice guy, but he ain't. Of course, proper play of Damian by the GM is a must.
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                            • #29
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                              • #30
                                With avaitor sunglasses and tattoos.. how's that look



                                Fuck being a hero. Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothing! You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah blah blah, attaboy! You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, your kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. I do this because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so I'm doing it.

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