USMC questions

[Brother in Arms]

What are acceptable MOS's for Female soldiers in the Marine Corps before the twilight war

Also I assume during the war all Mos's would be acceptable for women.

BIA

[natehale1971]

I the Corps, everyone get's basic Infantry training... only direct combat MOSs have been denied to women so far. With the T2k setting, all of the MOS have been opened up.

[ArmySGT.]

MWR

Morale, Welfare, and Recreation equipment.

[kota1342000]

Nate is correct. By the 1988 to 1998 time frame, the only MOS closed to Women were ground combat arms positions; 0300 Infantry, 0800 Artillery, 1800 Tank and Amtrack crew, and Combat Engineer positions (cant remember the MOS code) though all other Engineer positions were open.
I remember some of the Women I served with after I became an instructor (did it to me when I was asleep LOL), told me they went Motor Transport or EOD because it was the closest they could get to the Infantry.

The Basic Rifleman training is called MCT (Marine Combat Training), 4 weeks, and just up the road from the School of Infantry...at least at Camp Pendleton. Short humps compared to what came later but lots of good Infantry stuff, and almost the entire time in the field.

[Raellus]

Do you folks out there think that USMC combat MOS's would be opened up to women by 2000 (in the T2KU) I can at least see women as AFV crewmen. I'm working on a project involving a Marine infantry battalion in the summer of 2000 and I wonder how prominently female Marines should be portrayed.

[Fusilier]

Do you folks out there think that USMC combat MOS's would be opened up to women by 2000 (in the T2KU) I can at least see women as AFV crewmen. I'm working on a project involving a Marine infantry battalion in the summer of 2000 and I wonder how prominently female Marines should be portrayed.

What are the real world reasons why they aren't now Are they stated

[pmulcahy11b]

What are the real world reasons why they aren't now Are they stated

It's not stated, but the word you're looking for is chauvinism.

[Fusilier]

It's not stated, but the word you're looking for is chauvinism.

If that's the reason, then I can't see why a manpower starved organization wouldn't opt to allow anyone in who can pass the training (any MOS).

Their allies and enemies would be doing it - why get left behind and lose out on potential manpower It's a brave new world and the old ways are out.

[LAW0306]

First off all know here that I'm an active duty Marine and have 20 years EXP in the infantry, if you did not know now you do.

I would not have too many females in a Battalion because there is just not that many! they arn't around. in 1995 they were few and far between. I did not see many and I was at a base with all types of units. Right now today women only repersent 6% of the Marine Corps at 11,000. thats with a total force of 202K active and 40K reserve. so the bare numbers speak for themselfs. most women are not even in this war at any forward bases. you just dont see them. I have two tours in Iraq and Two in Afghanistan. there are small 4 person teams that come to you battalion for a week once a month that are female engagement teams. but they dont work well because there mission is to talk to females in afghanistan....well they stay in side all day and only the very old and very young come out, plus we dont have many female terps so they would not be able to talk to them anyway.

On the logistics side its very rare to see a female convoy commander for a logistics unit or females in there units, most dont want to be out in the shit and if they do they are in the teams i mentioned above and good on them for wanting to kick ass. We did have a Sgt Maj for a logistics unit in our AO that was a female, rare bird here, very strong leader and in very good shape. i had the honor of eating dinner with here twice and she came off as a real pro. thats my two cents and i dont have a opinion if they should be there or not. I let higher figure that out and I comply with orders and none of my views are that of the Marine Corps ,just some one thats been there and missed the line for the T-shirt. If you would like more info on the Marines just Mail me and I would love to help. I have a write up for the Corps in T2k that I have been working on for 10 some years. some day I hope to finish.

[LAW0306]

Total DOD forces (201,575) 14.6% Enlisted (165,231) 14.5% Officers (34,045) 15.2% Army (70,918) 13.7% Enlisted (57,825) 13.4% Officers (12,459) 14.7% Navy (50,904) 15.0% Enlisted (42,400) 15.0% Officers (7,649) 14.8% Marine Corps (11,150) 6.0% Enlisted (10,049) 6.1% Officers (1,101) 5.6% Air Force (68,600) 20.3% Enlisted (54,957) 20.7% Officers (12,836) 18.9%


These are Present day numbers or the closest I could find.

[LAW0306]

I also spell like crap...so you can hit me on that one later. I type to fast for my own good and too lazy to go back.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

First off all know here that I'm an active duty Marine and have 20 years EXP in the infantry, if you did not know now you do.

I would not have too many females in a Battalion because there is just not that many! they arn't around. in 1995 they were few and far between. I did not see many and I was at a base with all types of units. Right now today women only repersent 6% of the Marine Corps at 11,000. thats with a total force of 202K active and 40K reserve. so the bare numbers speak for themselfs. most women are not even in this war at any forward bases. you just dont see them. I have two tours in Iraq and Two in Afghanistan. there are small 4 person teams that come to you battalion for a week once a month that are female engagement teams. but they dont work well because there mission is to talk to females in afghanistan....well they stay in side all day and only the very old and very young come out, plus we dont have many female terps so they would not be able to talk to them anyway.

On the logistics side its very rare to see a female convoy commander for a logistics unit or females in there units, most dont want to be out in the shit and if they do they are in the teams i mentioned above and good on them for wanting to kick ass. We did have a Sgt Maj for a logistics unit in our AO that was a female, rare bird here, very strong leader and in very good shape. i had the honor of eating dinner with here twice and she came off as a real pro. thats my two cents and i dont have a opinion if they should be there or not. I let higher figure that out and I comply with orders and none of my views are that of the Marine Corps ,just some one thats been there and missed the line for the T-shirt. If you would like more info on the Marines just Mail me and I would love to help. I have a write up for the Corps in T2k that I have been working on for 10 some years. some day I hope to finish.

Having Been a Pog Marine (mos3311, Field Baker) I have been around my share of Female Marines. Most of them are on the Support bases. I was with the 3rd FSSG and the 3rd LAAM Battalion back in the early 80s. There were a few that went with us to the field when we went, and we had some problems with umm opposite sex encounters in the field. When I was at Cherry Point Marine Airbase there were quite a few WMs. All in all none of them would of been in a combat situation unless we had been in a situation to have been over run.

[simonmark6]

Actually, Law, there's capital letters, sound punctuation, including in sentence, and an excellent use of subordination and co-ordination, all in all, I'd give it a thumbs up.

Mark (resident grammar nazi)

[Raellus]

Thanks for the info, Law and Kalkwarf. I won't be adding too many female NPCs to my battalion (maybe 2 at the most).

My reasoning- and Fuse seems to agree- is that a lot of the women in support units will have been transitioned to combat units by 2000. In my T2KU, the Marines have absorbed a lot of ex-Navy personnel to meet it's manpower needs. I'm assuming that some of those ex-Navy folks would also be women. It seems like, of all the U.S. armed forces, the Navy is particularly woman-heavy. That would probably boost the number of women in Marine support units, at least.

[pmulcahy11b]

If that's the reason, then I can't see why a manpower starved organization wouldn't opt to allow anyone in who can pass the training (any MOS).

And that's the trick, finding a female who can cut the mustard in combat arms. But they are out there -- I've worked with female soldiers I think could become good infantrymen (and two who actually wanted it and wished regs were different -- and one who wished she could become a Special Forces medic and could probably have physically and mentally managed it). I don't think the training or standards should be watered down one bit for the females to get those crossed rifles (or whatever). But those women are out there in our military, right now, being underutilized.

And BTW, I lost count of the men I met through my career who had no business being in Infantry.