US Army uniform question.

[natehale1971]

Well, the special ops units have long been sending their troops to each others' schools. So that one is actually possible.

Heck... I knew a US Navy SEAL who had left the US Navy and reenlisted into the Army because of an injury that percluded him from further service as a SEAL. But the army didnt hold that minor injury against him and allowed him to go into the US Army Special Operations Command. And the Army even commissioned him.

[Schone23666]

Well, like or hate the tv show JAG, they did have fairly accurate uniforms, if nothing else...

I sort of both liked and hated that show in equal measure, though guys I hung with back in my AF days laughed and snickered at it, saying it should have been called "combat lawyers"

Then again, when it came to the uniforms, I always seemed to have my eye on Catherine Bell's uniform more often than most. No way THAT uniform was standard issue the way it fit her though...

[natehale1971]

Well, like or hate the tv show JAG, they did have fairly accurate uniforms, if nothing else...

I sort of both liked and hated that show in equal measure, though guys I hung with back in my AF days laughed and snickered at it, saying it should have been called "combat lawyers"

Then again, when it came to the uniforms, I always seemed to have my eye on Catherine Bell's uniform more often than most. No way THAT uniform was standard issue the way it fit her though...

Officers are actually allowed to tailor their uniforms no matter the nationality... and some enlisted actually got away with tailoring their uniforms to 'fit & look better'

[Schone23666]

Not quite OT. On US Army's name tape and the tape thaqt says "US Army", isn't the name supposed to be over the right pocket and the US Army over the left

I'm watching a show on the SciFi network and the mistakes I've seen in the 1st 10 minutes are giving me a headache. One guy is running around with no rear sight for his M4, and when they show brass hitting the floor from freshly fired rounds, not only does it hit in groups like someone just dropped a handfull, it's clearly old and tarnished like it's been left out on the firing range for a month.

Ugh....I know B-grade movies only have so much of a budget to work with, but they can be done SOMEWHAT decently if they really do try to work hard within their means...but it seems SYFY and their ridiculous BS obsession with CGI effects, recycled plots, recycled characters, idiotic dialogue....gawd, Roger Corman's stuff looks like damn genius in comparison (though he really did put out a few decent creepy titles like the Dance of the Red Death, and Pit and the Pendulum).

All that said, I would almost kill just to see maybe a few decent scifi or fantasy flicks where the military types at least get portrayed somewhat realistically as professional yet flawed human beings and not cliches

Rant over, getting off the soapbox now...

[Schone23666]

Officers are actually allowed to tailor their uniforms no matter the nationality... and some enlisted actually got away with tailoring their uniforms to 'fit & look better'

Oh lordy...it's not actually quite so much anything to do with uniforms, but...when I was a civilian contractor, for a bit I ran jobs between the various Navy sites in Hampton Roads. At Little Creek I was at one of the SEAL's quarters (think it was Team 8, not sure, I visited several) and had to speak with the admin about some machine issues they needed me to look at. Well, most of the admin were women, but they were out there doing morning PT with the rest of the SEALS as it turned out (mostly anyway)...and good lord, if the woman I had to speak with hadn't just come back from PT, she looked GOOD, and she had only on a tshirt and a pair of shorts almost so damn high they could have been classified as Daisy Duke shorts!

Of course, I ended up gawking for a moment, but even as a civilian still remembered my professional bearing and conferred with her professionally. Of course, she noticed my gawking but only smirked and seemed to take it all in stride, as though to say "What can I say I DO look that good."

So anyway, now I know the secret to some of the SEAL team members motivation to get up every day.

[dragoon500ly]

Well, the special ops units have long been sending their troops to each others' schools. So that one is actually possible.

I know that its possible, it was just the whole fruit salad this "general" was wearing that had me howling...you know, the Combat Infantry Badge, worn under an Expert Infantry Badge; a Navy Cross, a Silver Star with five repeats, a Purple Heart, A SEAL Qualification Badge on the right pocket; the Royal Thai Parachute Badge worn over his ribbons (and no US parachute badges); a Special Forces tab on the left sleeve, a Ranger tab on the right and no unit patch on his right shoulder and no green tabs......it truly was a sight to behold!

And a great big thank you SiFry for the laugh!

[natehale1971]

I know that its possible, it was just the whole fruit salad this "general" was wearing that had me howling...you know, the Combat Infantry Badge, worn under an Expert Infantry Badge; a Navy Cross, a Silver Star with five repeats, a Purple Heart, A SEAL Qualification Badge on the right pocket; the Royal Thai Parachute Badge worn over his ribbons (and no US parachute badges); a Special Forces tab on the left sleeve, a Ranger tab on the right and no unit patch on his right shoulder and no green tabs......it truly was a sight to behold!

And a great big thank you SiFry for the laugh!

Sounds like one of two of the Fake Vets that was running around in this area a few years ago. One had said he was a POW who got rescued by SEALs during Vietnam. The other claimed to have saved some POWs while he was in Vietnam. The two had been totally unrelated with each other. But enough people who had been buying their stories thought that they matched enough that they had to be real. a news paper got the two together.... and they didn't miss a beat and claimed that the other was the one who was rescued/was the rescueer... for several years the two ran around getting local awards and the like until someone saw them wearing medals that just didn' go together.

[pmulcahy11b]

I know that its possible, it was just the whole fruit salad this "general" was wearing that had me howling...you know, the Combat Infantry Badge, worn under an Expert Infantry Badge; a Navy Cross, a Silver Star with five repeats, a Purple Heart, A SEAL Qualification Badge on the right pocket; the Royal Thai Parachute Badge worn over his ribbons (and no US parachute badges); a Special Forces tab on the left sleeve, a Ranger tab on the right and no unit patch on his right shoulder and no green tabs......it truly was a sight to behold!

And a great big thank you SiFry for the laugh!

I wish I had seen that show! Oh good god, what a mess...the producer probably sent some flunky down to the nearest military surplus store and told him, "just grab some stuff that looks cool."

[pmulcahy11b]

Officers are actually allowed to tailor their uniforms no matter the nationality... and some enlisted actually got away with tailoring their uniforms to 'fit & look better'

I did that with my Class A's...when I was in Korea, I even got two sets of Class A's made especially for me out of the raw cloth (in Korea, that only cost me about $150; now that the dollar's not nearly as strong, it probably costs a lot more).

[dragoon500ly]

I wish I had seen that show! Oh good god, what a mess...the producer probably sent some flunky down to the nearest military surplus store and told him, "just grab some stuff that looks cool."

I joked with my wife that the producer had probably hit a flea market and just bought a bag full of stuff!

As for the show itself, it was some movie concerning an insect horde out to destroy mankind, I think. The plot was as laughable as the uniforms! Although I did love the M-60 that fired well over 5,000 rounds without a barrel change...not to mention the gunner who humped the Pig and that much ammo without an a-gunner or an ammo humper!

Gotta love these B-grade comedies!!!

[Fusilier]

However every military movie, there will be intentional uniform mistakes as it is illegal to impersonate a Service member.

I don't think so, unless you have a source for that (about movies being subject to the law). Mine says that isn't true for performances.

From Title 10, U.S. Code:
CHAPTER 45-THE UNIFORM

While portraying a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, an actor in a theatrical or motion-picture production may wear the uniform of that armed force if the portrayal does not tend to discredit that armed force.

Further to that, the 1970 case SCHACHT v. UNITED STATES found that the 'discrediting' portion of the law was unconstitutional and civilian actors do in fact have every right to wear the uniform in a production and discredit the military if they so choose.

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Farbentruppen and Hollywood

When it comes to getting things wrong, there's none better than some of the clowns in Hollywood. Most of Hollywood (with some now ageing exceptions) has no practical experience with the military. Producers and directors are counting on the audience knowing less about military matters than the average potted plant. They also go for the close enough rule. If it can fool the casual observer at 10 feet, then it's spot on. When productions do make the effort, the results can be astounding. When they don't, it's either insulting or hilarious.

Besides, how many people leaned a little closer to the screen when the mock-Panzers arrived in Saving Private Ryan After seeing zillions of Pattons, Pershings, and Chaffees given a quick spray of gray paint and a couple of dozen Iron Crosses and called Panzers, the Ryan Panzers were amazing.

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More Joy

Here's a link for anyone interested in nitpicking movies.

http://imfdb.org

Enough gun/uniform/gear nitpicking for at least one forum.

[Adm.Lee]

Platoon came out that same autumn, but I really don't think that did much for Army recruiting.

Speaking of that last movie, when I took a class on the Vietnam War, one of the guest speakers had been a rifleman in Oliver Stone's company, different platoon. IIRC, he said Stone was wounded and transferred to another division. He said that the first part of the movie was accurate, but the village sequence happened in the other division. I forgot to ask him about the big battle at the end.

Gee, more info. I was reading Soldiering on in a dying war: the true story of the Firebase Pace incidents and the Vietnam drawdown, and on p. 214, we have this:

[The 271st VC Regiment] emerged at midnight New Year's Day 1968 to attack Fire Support Base Burt on the Vietnamese/Cambodian border. This time they clashed with elements of the 25th Infantry "Tropic Lightning" Division. In what was described as 'savage and desperate' fighting, the Vietcong were repulsed under a hail of bombs and bullets, including 1,500 mortar and artillery rounds and 200,000 rounds of small arms. When daylight came, more than 400 enemy bodies were counted. The defenders of this base included a young enlisted man named Oliver Stone. His recollections of this attack would form the basis of the climactic ending scenes in the movie Platoon twenty years later.

[dragoon500ly]

And SiFry Strikes Again...

Caught a movie that featured a Special Forces A Team....The team wore the right desert cammies....but the team leader wore Air Force E-7 stripes...last time I checked A-teams were led by Army Captains!

Loved the color-coordinated sunglasses!

M-60 gunners are so cute when they wear red lenses!