Am I opening a can of worms here? I think I am...M113...

[cavtroop]

Holy crap a T2k original there.

I wonder if that's doable with like an M2 (complete with turret) as a "cab-over"?

Probably not - big tonnage difference between an empty 113 hull, and an M2 hull with the turret. The M2A2 weighs 36 tons if memory serves me correctly - though a lot of that will go away (engine, tracks, etc), it'll still be north of 30 tons. The 113 weighs about 13ish tons I think - so figure 10 empty or so. I think the weight of the M2 would crush the 5ton suspension

[Schone23666]

Here's some pics if anyone's curious of Israeli-modified M113's.

It's called the Kasman. I believe that's Hebrew for "The Magic of Music" (if not someone correct me).

[Webstral]

I dont know if this...abomination...belongs here or in the 'gun trucks' thread...

Bite your tongue, sir. I find that truck to be a lady of rare beauty.

[Targan]

Bite your tongue, sir. I find that truck to be a lady of rare beauty.

LOL. Ok, from now on we're sending you the ugly ones, Web.

[dragoon500ly]

Well, I think one can certainly say that never has a single chassis been so modified into so many variants!

You can say what you want about that there little aluminium box...but the darn thing is going to be around for another hundred years or so!!!!

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Well, I think one can certainly say that never has a single chassis been so modified into so many variants!

You can say what you want about that there little aluminium box...but the darn thing is going to be around for another hundred years or so!!!!

...and for the next hundred years, nobody will call it the "Gavin"

[Sanjuro]

You can say what you want about that there little aluminium box...but the darn thing is going to be around for another hundred years or so!!!!

Possibly much longer- I was in a games shop the other day (for the first time in 10 years or so) and there were some models of Warhammer 40000 vehicles that seemed to share that familiar silhouette!

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Possibly much longer- I was in a games shop the other day (for the first time in 10 years or so) and there were some models of Warhammer 40000 vehicles that seemed to share that familiar silhouette!

Early WH40k relied a great, great deal on scratchbuild so I wouldn't be surprised if - given the lineage - Forgeworld and Citadel Miniatures hadn't unwittingly incorporated M113 lines into their designs as the kitbashing that went on from '86 onward probably included a lot of M113 kits.

[Schone23666]

Despite my attack against the guy who wants everybody to call the M113 the Gavin (and believes that it's a light tank), I actually do like the boxy little bastard. For me it's one of the iconic vehicles of the Cold War era just as much as the Chieftain, M60 & T-62 MBTs, the BMP-1 & Marder and the BTR-60 and so on.
I have fond memories of standing in the rear hatch with an SLR in one hand and hanging on for dear life with the other as we ploughed through the scrub at a great rate of knots.


And just for the hell of it, how's this for an interesting M113 variant - be a real bitch to reload the .50 cals under fire!

I had a rather evil thought (or two). How feasible would it be to remove either the top two, or bottom two .50 cal's and replace them with Mk19 40mm grenade machine guns? And have the paired guns set for synchronized fire, with a selector switch to allow use of either the twin .50 cal's, the twin 40mm launchers, or both? Oh, and throw in a FLIR/night vision/image magnification device with a target reticle and laser rangefinder.

Just think, it would be perfect as a multipurpose tool, for clearing everything from zombies and ghouls, to marauders, to vampires, cannibals, mutants, werewolves, etc. etc.

[Panther Al]

Shouldn't be too hard, since most mountings these days are set up to take either a fifty or a 19, so those could be modified I am sure... question is, can you swap the feed to the other direction? If you can, nothing stopping you from mounting four.


After all, the Israeli's pulled the four fifties off and swapped them with a pair of 20mm cannons, so it can be modified easy enough.

[Legbreaker]

The big problem is the different ballistics of the two weapons. The 40mm flies much slower than the .50 cal so needs a greater elevation for the same range. Unless firing at very close range (a hundred metres or so) chances are you'll end up with either the .50 hitting the clouds, or 40mm dropping on your toes (so to speak).
The easiest "fix" is to simply fire one or the other and not both simultaneously.

[Panther Al]

Unless you swap all four, which would be just outright cool.

[ArmySGT.]

40mm would be a disappointment.

The standard ammo can went from 48 to 32 rounds.

2212 meters max effective range for the 40mm that could be done better in 25mm if you going with a vehicle mount.

[bobcat]

dumb idea

i wonder if you could mount an abrahm turret on a 113 without crushing the old reliable beer can?

[pmulcahy11b]

Dumber Idea

Forget the Abrams Turret. Put a gun turret from the Missouri with the 16" guns on the 113!