The infantry being supported probably won't care whether the fire is coming from a 105mm gun/howitzer or a 90mm low-pressure gun. They'll be glad to be getting some direct fire support where tanks might be scarce.
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It's worth pointing out that 75mm guns were deemed sufficient in at least the earlier stages of WWII for infantry support. By comparison, 90mm and 105mm are overkill.
However, Maxim No 37 comes into play here: There is no overkill. "Only open fire" and "time to reload."
If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
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More M113 variants, this one is an air defence vehicle from Singapore.
Like the M113 that mounted a ZSU-23-2, this is a US vehicle carrying a Soviet/Russian weapon system - the 9K38 Igla IR-homing missile.
Damn! If I keep this up I'll be the M113 fanboy of the forum but at least I won't be as bad as "you-know-who-who-wants-all-M113s-called-Gavin" hahaha!
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Originally posted by StainlessSteelCynic View PostMore M113 variants, this one is an air defence vehicle from Singapore.
Like the M113 that mounted a ZSU-23-2, this is a US vehicle carrying a Soviet/Russian weapon system - the 9K38 Igla IR-homing missile.
Damn! If I keep this up I'll be the M113 fanboy of the forum but at least I won't be as bad as "you-know-who-who-wants-all-M113s-called-Gavin" hahaha!
As for Mr. Gavin Fanboy whathisname, dont' worry, likely you already gave him an erection (likely his first)."The use of force is always an answer to problems. Whether or not it's a satisfactory answer depends on a number of things, not least the personality of the person making the determination. Force isn't an attractive answer, though. I would not be true to myself or to the people I served with in 1970 if I did not make that realization clear."
— David Drake
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I do like that Hellfire variant. A couple of these could provide anti-tank defenses for an assault gun formation.“We’re not innovating. We’re selectively imitating.” June Bernstein, Acting President of the University of Arizona in Tucson, November 15, 1998.
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Originally posted by Schone23666 View PostAs for Mr. Gavin Fanboy whathisname, dont' worry, likely you already gave him an erection (likely his first).
Sadly, Mr M113 Fanboy likely has most of the M113 variants we've posted here, already listed on his "M113 idolatry" page.
And just to keep things moving, to quote a series of television ads "but wait, there's more..."
A museum site with a Hellfire M113 prototype http://www.heartlandmuseum.com/album..._photos_7.html giving some basic information.
More pics of the vehicle itself
Turkish air defence vehicle - M113 with Stinger launcher, named ATILGAN
(very large image) http://defenceproducts.ssm.gov.tr/Pr...AN/ATILGAN.jpg
Danish M113G3 DK Ambulance Extended - image from http://www.armyvehicles.dk
Another Danish M113, fitted with a dozer blade. http://www.armyvehicles.dk/m113dozer.htm has some additional information
And more Danish M113s, a Close Protection M113, used to screen the Danish tank platoon in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.
Notice the rubber "band track" fitted in place of the regular metal link track. Benefits are said to be less vibration, less noise, less maintenance, increased passenger comfort and increased track life. It's been stated on MilitaryPhotos.Net that Denmark is fitting this track to all it's M113s after service trials in Iraq & Afghanistan proved the benefits. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...-Forever/page5
And finally to finish up, the ARISGATOR, an M113 made into a mini LVTP-7/AAVP-7A1
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Army Guide - information about the main battle tanks, armoured vehicles and armament of the land forces and also the information concerning other army subjects - Arisgator, Tracked armoured personnel carrier, Armoured Vehicles
While I don't worship the M113 like "you-know-who" somebody must have done something right for it to be so well represented around the world for near on 50 years now - it's practically the Model T Ford of armoured vehicles.
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Originally posted by StainlessSteelCynic View Post...to quote a series of television ads "but wait, there's more..."
Given the US pumped out tens of thousands of them and spread them around the place, and given replacement vehicles don't usually come cheap, it's no real surprise they've been adapted, then adapted some more by whoever's had them in service.
I'd imagine if the Soviets hadn't kept such a tight rein on their own client states, we may have seen the same thing happen with the BTR and BMP lines.If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
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Originally posted by Legbreaker View PostI soooo better be getting self sharpening steak knives with that!
Given the US pumped out tens of thousands of them and spread them around the place, and given replacement vehicles don't usually come cheap, it's no real surprise they've been adapted, then adapted some more by whoever's had them in service.
I'd imagine if the Soviets hadn't kept such a tight rein on their own client states, we may have seen the same thing happen with the BTR and BMP lines.THIS IS MY SIG, HERE IT IS.
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Of course, however there appears to be way more of the M113.
Most of the BTR variants appear to incorporate relatively minor alterations while the M113 in many cases is barely recognisable as the same vehicle.If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
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