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  • #16
    Originally posted by pmulcahy11b View Post
    Others you might want to look for along this line are the SerLea Ace (designed by a Lebanese immigrant for CQB, experimented with by the US Army and LAPD, and used in a B-movie called Sudden Impact), the the ITM Models 1-4. These were essentially double submachineguns, but none were successful on the market. I have those statted on my site, and what I got for the full auto recoil was horrendous. And for some reason, the designers of these weapons decided not only to make them double submachineguns, but also give them shorty barrels, no flash suppressors or muzzle brakes, and make them light in weight. I mean, what were the designers expecting to happen when they opened them up on full auto They would be good for spraying a room, but I'd think that they'd be really inaccurate in even a long hallway.
    Here's some images of the weapons you mentioned. As far as the Searlea Ace is concerned...it doesn't look like a bad idea, though I wonder with the magazine setup, you'd have to load each mag well seperately or could they have developed it so that just one large magazine could be fitted Either way you'd be either faced with having to load two magazines at a time or having to carry some very big magazines on your vest or other LBE.

    As for the ITM Models...yeah, I see what you mean. Although the Model 3 seems to have some sort of rudimentary brake on both barrels, or no Again, it looks interesting, but I just wonder besides the issues you already raised, wouldn't you have to carry around even more ammunition since you are in fact carrying not one weapon but two with these combination guns
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    • #17
      Aaaaaand....I felt I just needed to add this. Apparently someone at Lage manufacturing, which does modifications of existing M11 and Mac 10 submachine guns into almost entirely different looking weapons altogether, actually went and designed a "real life" Aliens M41 Pulse rifle.

      No lie, GI!!! http://www.youtube.com/watchv=am76xV8Aubk

      Sadly, it doesn't fire 10mm caseless ammunition nor 30mm grenades... what it DOES do is fire 9mm Parabellum ammunition utilizing a very heavily modified Lage Max-11 submachine gun alongside firing 12 gauge shells utilizing an undermounted Remington 870 AOW shotgun. According to the guy who made this, it does indeed have an electronic red dot sight and a functioning round counter that lights up and tracks the number of rounds left when you insert a 50 round magazine into the weapon. Unfortunately, it appears this was a one-off and wont' be manufactured in any quantities unless someone else picks it up.
      "The use of force is always an answer to problems. Whether or not it's a satisfactory answer depends on a number of things, not least the personality of the person making the determination. Force isn't an attractive answer, though. I would not be true to myself or to the people I served with in 1970 if I did not make that realization clear."
      — David Drake

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