Way OT - 5th edition of D&D on the way

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I'm on the list of playtesters and will hopefully get a crack at it.

I feel like Paul LeMat as John Milner in American Graffiti when Erin Moran wanted to listen to the Beach Boys in his car. He angrily turns the radio off and growls "Rock and Roll has been goin' downhill since Buddy Holly died!" - I feel the same about D&D - it's been goin' downhill since AD&D 1e died.

Still, Wizards of the Coast is winning at least some of my dollars back by reprinting - for a limited time, anyway - the three big AD&D books (Dungeon Masters Guide, Monster Manual, Players Handbook) and donating some of the money to Gail Gygax for a memorial for Gary. Hey! There's my on-topicness; he worked with GDW for a while

I'd love to see some crazy billionaire buy up the GDW IP and reprint Twilight:2000 1.0 boxed sets and supplements, but it isn't gonna happen.

Inasmuch as I'll probably never get to play a proper T2k game, though, one of the things I do love about this place is the relative lack of any sort of forum drama at all. 1.0 2.0 2.2 T2k13 Whatevs, it's all good.

Okay except for Twilight:2013 that one is just junk.

[weswood]

I didn't even know there was a 4th ed out. Pretty much lost interest in AD&D after 2nd ed.

Good luck!

[pmulcahy11b]

The last version I played was AD&D...

[Cdnwolf]

3.5 was the last one I tried... and went with the Pathfinder versions...

I just found a bunch of PDF for Dungeon Crawls and they have in one spot taking a character from Level 1 to 15 in one setting.

I also have the link to the Worlds Largest Dungeon

[Raellus]

The concept of D&D is so universal now, it's cliche. That's not to say that it's not any good, though.

The whole version thing confounds and frustrates me. Obviously, unless new editions come out, the licence-holder doesn't make any money. I get that part. But it seems like they keep releasing deliberately problematic material so that in a few years they'll have a reason to debut a "new-and-improved" version.

I've read up a little of WotC's vision of v5 as a universal, completely customizable edition that will simultaneously appeal to all styles of fantasy RPG players and DMs and, although I'm rooting for this to be the case, I am highly skeptical. If this is possible, why didn't it happed decades ago If it's not possible, then this ploy is an all-time low.

I also think it's interesting how invested folks get in their favorite editions. From the little I've read in Amazon reviews of various editions, there's some seriously passionate, partisan folks out there when it comes to defending a particular edition (and attacking most others). I've only ever played 4e, and that started only very recently. Seems like a lot of folks hate it. I've enjoyed it so far (but then I don't have any experience playing any other editions, unless you count the old Gold Box computer games and the Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale series where the mechanics are mostly behind the scenes).

In my mind, I think the quality of the DM and the playing group is much, much more important that the version being used (unless the system is so slow and clunky that it takes forever to resolve a single turn). If the DM's really good and the players enjoy one another's company, the experience can transcend nearly any limitations or shortcomings inherent in whatever rules-set is being used.

Anyway, thus end my ramblings on the matter.

[Odie]

3.5 was my favorite. AD&D would be a close second. I bought the players handbook for 4. Never bought another thing of that version. The only reason I bought it was because I pre ordered it. That was a mistake. So unless version 5 goes back to 3.5 rules. I am going to be very skepticle. Pathfinder is basically the 3.5 rules. Pathfinder is a fantastic game. I do have a few complaints with it but they are minor enough not to even mention. lol.

T2K 2.2 and Traveller TNE are my all time favorite RPG games. TNE has FF&S rule book for designing your own equipment (guns, vehicles aircraft and spacecraft). What makes it even more awesome is T2k 2.2 and TNE rules are the same. So your equipment and characters can play in either game if you want.

[Webstral]

Anyone know what the powers of a paladin are

[Odie]

Anyone know what the powers of a paladin are

Are you talking about in the new version or just in general

[kota1342000]

I got turned off from D&D due to some crap DMs. Not an excuse I know, but Ive run itno a lot more terrible GMs from the Dungeons and dragons side than I usually do with most other games Ive played like T2K, Traveller, Paranoia, Rifts, Gurps, 3-16, Savage Worlds....the list goes on. Ive noticed that most of the same GMs who stuck to D&D so much also seemed to flock to Pathfinder. Generally I look to see what that crowd is doing and go the other way.

...And T2013 isnt all that bad. In fact Im getting rather attached to Reflex

[Rainbow Six]

Anyone know what the powers of a paladin are

Take it we're not talking about the M109 SP Howitzer here

I got turned off from D&D due to some crap DMs. Not an excuse I know, but Ive run itno a lot more terrible GMs from the Dungeons and dragons side than I usually do with most other games Ive played like T2K, Traveller, Paranoia, Rifts, Gurps, 3-16, Savage Worlds....

I had much the same problems when I first started playing D & D in the mid 80's...it took a while to actually get a group together that "clicked"...

I'm the same as Paul - last version I played ftf was AD & D although I did play both Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale on my PC (and enjoyed them both).

[Adm.Lee]

I've played all 4 editions (plus Basic and Pathfinder), and DM'ed all but 4th. I have no interest in 4th, and about as much in 5th. I'd like to go back to 1st or 2nd edition for playing, but the majority of my playgroup wants to stick to 3.5/PF. So be it, I guess.

The good news is that I've gotten my 13-year old son and a rising number of his buddies to play D&D. It's funny that he's adopted my attitude against 4th.

I'm also working patiently to get them into some other games, but the Cold War (and WW3) don't resonate to them at all.

And in "their" Star Wars, the guys in white armor are the good guys.

[Webstral]

Are you talking about in the new version or just in general

Any version will do. No, I'm not asking about a self-propelled field piece.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Any version will do. No, I'm not asking about a self-propelled field piece.

The AD&D paladin:

can lay on hands for 2 HP/level, 1x daily (every 24 hours)

is immune to any disease

Can detect evil at a range of 60'

can cure any disease 1 time per week for every 5 levels

has a permanent protection from evil circle 10' surrounding him

at 4th level can call for a special, intelligent warhorse which will serve him unless he breaks his paladin oath. If the beast dies it is a set amount of time before he can call it again

at 3rd level can begin turning undead/evil as a cleric 2x levels below (so starting at 3rd, as a 1st level cleric, at 4th a 2nd level, etc.)

at 9th level can begin to cast clerical spells, starting as a 1st level cleric, going through 20th level, casting up to 4th level cleric spells.

MUST tithe 10% of treasure to a lawful good church/cause (cannot be another PC)

CANNOT have more than 10 magic items

If they act in an unlawful way, they must perform a special quest for their God to regain paladin status, otherwise they are a fighter of the appropriate level. If they continue to commit chaotic acts and change alignment they will forever be a "mere" fighter.

They cannot adventure with evil alignments.

They cannot adventure with true neutral types, except on a single adventure (e.g., a lone jaunt to the dungeon).

Their hit dice and to-hit chart is that of a fighter.

They must have a minimum 12 strength, 9 intelligence, 13 wisdom, 9 constitution and 17 charisma

If a Paladin has a Holy Sword, they project a circle of power 10' in diameter through which all magic is dispelled. They have to draw and hold the sword.

Paladins make ALL saving throws at +2

They have a range of 23 kilometers and can fire all conventional munitions as well as binary nerve and biological agents. Wait, shit, wrong Paladin. Otherwise, as written

[Targan]

If they act in an unlawful way, they must perform a special quest for their God to regain paladin status, otherwise they are a fighter of the appropriate level. If they continue to commit chaotic acts and change alignment they will forever be a "mere" fighter.

[snip]

Their hit dice and to-hit chart is that of a fighter.

IIRC once Unearthed Arcana came out Paladins were treated as a type of Cavalier rather than a fighter. So if they lost their Paladin status they became a Cavalier of equal level.

Dammit, and I'd promised myself that I wouldn't buy into this thread!

[Medic]

I've played both AD&D and the 3.x edition (and have books for both in my shelves). I've made a decission of not even considering touching the 4th edition due to the vastly altered mechanics. Might also have to do with my wife not wanting to see another shelf full of RPG books (my library is a rather good one, inthat department and otherwise).