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    The recent discussions have got me thinking, how much do we subscribe to racial stereotypes This effects many things, not the least the prosecution of war. An example is the Japanese in WW2, Americans considered them too weak and prone to poor eyesight and dismissed them as a credible threat in air to air engagements, yet the japanese proved to be some of the best and most skillful pilots of the war. Cultural attitudes and racial stereotypes play a huge part in our lives, whether we choose to accept the fact or not.

    How does it play out in our games of T2K Over the years i have been guilty of, rather unconscously, portraying NATO troops as more moraly sound than warsaw pact. When warcrimes or amoral acts have been commited by NPCs it is most often by the hand of a soviet. I was born in 1980, while Britain was not as focussed on the "Red Peril" as America we where brought up in a society that saw the communists as less moral, less "good" than we where. In the movies,literature and common perceptions of the time, this was accepted as fact.

    Also common views and stereotypes regarding even our NATO allies had an effect and talking to veterans of the two Gulf wars, I've learned that they could effect relations between allied contingents. I'll list some common stereotypes that where common when I was a teenager, so you can see what I mean:

    Russians (soviet): Cruel, ammoral fanatics who would willingly commit any crime for the soviet cause. Uneducated, barbaric and primitive. poor soldiers with poor equipment that is rarely cleaned or maintained.

    Americans: Undisciplined, gung ho, poorly led. They have all the kit but not the training to use it. Arrogant, badly educated, convinced they won everything singlehanded.

    Germans: Arrogant, by the book, no sense of flair. Poor at handling unplanned, unexpected situations. There was a general sense of distrust associated with the Germans when i was growing up.

    Now when you look at the reality you notice that the stereotypes have a certain element that rings true but are overblown and inaccurate. I was wondering ow this plays out in other people's games, chcarcters and personal viewpoints.
    Better to reign in hell, than to serve in heaven.

  • #2
    Originally posted by 95th Rifleman View Post
    Now when you look at the reality you notice that the stereotypes have a certain element that rings true but are overblown and inaccurate. I was wondering ow this plays out in other people's games, characters and personal viewpoints.
    Not knowing a lot about a culture is probably what makes taking on stereotypes as easy or as common as they are. You'll almost always find a greater depth of different characters from your own "side" because of this IMO. When you simply don't know about them, it just makes sense to fall back on popular beliefs. It's also sometimes easy to forget that the enemy side doesn't just have to exist to be mindless drones to mow down if the opportunity to interact with them is limited - which unfortunately is often is.

    It takes effort I think to break this habit. I've tried... in my game just about half of every NATO person the party has come across has been either uncooperative, untrustworthy, or a potential/real threat. I think there are a lot of gaming benefits to this and it breaks the concept that somebody is your friend just because of the uniform he wears.

    I think I'm doing pretty good... this picture summarizes exactly how I think the average British person is like.


    I'm just kidding of course. Britain is very awesome.
    Last edited by Fusilier; 03-17-2012, 11:32 AM.

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    • #3
      I think I might have taught that guy in the picture...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by simonmark6 View Post
        I think I might have taught that guy in the picture...
        LOL!

        Notice I didn't pick on the Welsh. I know better. Nobody in the world is as hard or tough as them which is evident by the fact that they've got a freaking dragon on their flag.
        Last edited by Fusilier; 03-17-2012, 03:18 PM.

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        • #5
          Here are a handful of current stereotypes that I've run into and or have subscribed to both accurately and inaccurately. I would like to note that though stereotypes are very very rarely 100% accurate I believe they exist for a reason. Enough people from one demographic showed a trait, attitude, ect ect enough times that the presumption that others from the same demographic will act in a similar fashion is a reasonably safe assumption, or at the very least a reasonable thing to bear in mind when interacting with someone of that demographic. This is not always a great idea or an accurate way to view people and can have negative side effects. However there are admittedly pros to bearing them in mind.

          (as seem from an American perspective)

          Russian - poorly trained, harshly led, poorly equipped, poorly educated, well indoctrinated, mostly conscripts

          English - one of our three closest friends and chief most of them, extremely professional, arrogant, trusted, difficult to work with at times due to being obstinate

          Australians - Tough, proficient, drunks, one of the top three allies

          Canadian - The last remaining of the top three friends, poor military due to lack of size and money

          French - This one is hard to describe in a list, so I will suffice to say that militarily the French are the butt of the VAST majority of jokes and jabs that involve poor military prowess

          Chinese - LOTS OF THEM!!!! HOLY SHIT LOTS OF THEM!!!!!! its like an ant hill of little red commie ants, other than that we think of them as quantity before quality in every way

          With a few exceptions (Germany, The Netherland, Norway, and I'm sure a couple others that I cant think of right now) most European countries are viewed as having poor militaries, with governments weak in conviction

          Anything in South America is viewed pretty much the same - corrupt, poorly trained, poorly led, poorly equipped, poor education, just poor in general, not worth consideration unless someone tried to seriously rock our boat
          Me that am what I am

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          • #6
            Especially today. It's a good day to be Welsh: we won the rugby. In fact we beat all four other nations in the game so we feel really smug, at least until we get our arses handed to us by Australia, New Zealand or South Africa

            I actually put down British rather than Welsh in any official documentation, independence for Wales is pretty much a one way ticket into the third world. We need to suck the English dry of their taxes to live our lives of luxury and maintain our keen abilities in close harmony singing.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by simonmark6 View Post
              Especially today. It's a good day to be Welsh: we won the rugby. In fact we beat all four other nations in the game so we feel really smug, at least until we get our arses handed to us by Australia, New Zealand or South Africa

              I actually put down British rather than Welsh in any official documentation, independence for Wales is pretty much a one way ticket into the third world. We need to suck the English dry of their taxes to live our lives of luxury and maintain our keen abilities in close harmony singing.
              Are Wales, a fine country where men are men and sheep are scared.....
              Better to reign in hell, than to serve in heaven.

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              • #8
                It's never been scientifically proven that the sheep don't like it...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by simonmark6 View Post
                  It's never been scientifically proven that the sheep don't like it...
                  Epic awesomeness
                  Me that am what I am

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                  • #10
                    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern ireland is an interesting social experiment. Four nations who have very good reasons to hate each other, united by a common hatred of France.
                    Better to reign in hell, than to serve in heaven.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 95th Rifleman View Post
                      Are Wales, a fine country where men are men and sheep are scared.....
                      On that topic, I take it you know why they came up with the idea of kilt in the first place The damn sheep hear the zipper from too far away.
                      "Listen to me, nugget, and listen good. Don't go poppin' your head out like that, unless you want it shot off. And if you do get it shot off, make sure you're dead, because if you ain't, guess who's gotta drag your sorry ass off the field? Were short on everything, so the only painkiller I have comes in 9mm doses. Now get the hell out of my foxhole!" - an unknown medic somewhere, 2013.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Medic View Post
                        On that topic, I take it you know why they came up with the idea of kilt in the first place The damn sheep hear the zipper from too far away.
                        I'm from Lancashire, the finest county in England. The good Scotts under William Wallace had the good sense to invade Yorkshire and sack York, as a mark of respect for their good sense I refuse to engage in insults against such fine, Yorkshire-invading, folk.
                        Better to reign in hell, than to serve in heaven.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 95th Rifleman View Post
                          The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern ireland is an interesting social experiment. Four nations who have very good reasons to hate each other, united by a common hatred of France.
                          But it didn't really start that way, although maybe it's that way now. What about all those centuries during which Scotland's biggest ally was France Matter of fact, Scotland would have been utterly crushed and incorporated much earlier into a greater England if it hadn't been for France's support of the various Scottish royal houses. Really the UK is the result of a Scottish king becoming the king of England too.

                          I'm of Scottish decent through the male line (there are records of Sempills in Scotland going back to the early 1300s and my current clanhead is a baron) and it brings me great joy to think that, for a while at least, a Scottish king ruled England.
                          sigpic "It is better to be feared than loved" - Nicolo Machiavelli

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 95th Rifleman View Post
                            Are Wales, a fine country where men are men and sheep are scared.....
                            The American version is: "Texas, where men are men, the women are strong, and the sheep are scared..."
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                            • #15
                              Let's not even get started on the prejudices regarding the local nationals in Iraq and probably Afghanistan: they're dirty, corrupt, dishonest, and lazy. We used to say that the only Iraqis who got anything done were with the insurgency. Oddly enough, no one ever mentions the commitment to hospitality.
                              “We’re not innovating. We’re selectively imitating.” June Bernstein, Acting President of the University of Arizona in Tucson, November 15, 1998.

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