2.X?

[M-Type]

Hello all. Got my hands on an Amazon gift card for Easter, and went to check out what there is to see over there (for T2k stuff at least). They have the T2k 2.0 rule book in my 'price-range', but what's the difference between 2.0 and 2.2 Note: They don't have the 2.2 rule book anywhere on the site.

For all of those in my campaign, I won't be changing up the rules on you guys (80% sure), but I'm looking at this for the long-run, since I know the 2.X is in more high regard.

Thanks for the help!

[Tegyrius]

The big change in 2.2 was an update to the core task resolution mechanic to use GDW's d20 (yes, years before D&D 3rd) house system instead of the previous d10-based engine.

ETA: For some reason, the PDF of the 2.2 rulebook is not available for stand-alone purchase on DriveThruRPG, though it is available as part of the 2.0/2.2 bundle.

- C.

[M-Type]

Think I'd be all set if I bought the 2.0 rule book and the GM Screen I can drop $5 on the Screen if it'll help.

[Legbreaker]

Character generation and initiative was also tweaked in 2.2. The screen doesn't cover those two issues.
You can look at the screen as a sort of 2.1 - includes some changes, but not all. Twilight Encounters includes pretty much the same 2.1 adjustments.

[Panther Al]

Of the two, my personal opinion is that 2.2 is the better of the two, so would be worth the effort to track down.

Either way, any of the versions can be a great deal of fun.

[M-Type]

Gotcha. I got Twilight Encounters and 1ed, so I'll be content for a while. I will look into getting 2.2.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

What Legbreaker said is correct, the Referee's Screen is indeed Version 2.1 and it has some slight updates to Version 2.0 but it still uses the 1D10 fropm what I recall.
Like others here, I too believe it's worth getting version 2.2 because, in grossly simple terms, it increases your Skill test base.

That is to say: -
Version 2.0 difficulty levels are only three, can't remember them offhand but I think it was Easy, Average, Difficult. All rolled on 1D10
Version 2.2 difficulty levels are five: Easy, Average, Difficult, Formidable, Impossible, all rolled on 1D20 (Note that Impossible does not literally mean it cannot be done, simply that it is very, very difficult).

Plus 2.2 has some cleaning up of some skills and vehicle/weapon stats as well as the careers.

[Mahatatain]

Plus 2.2 has some cleaning up of some skills and vehicle/weapon stats as well as the careers.

I believe that the Autogun skill exists in v2.2 but not in v2.0 and that can make quite a difference.

[Legbreaker]

I believe that the Autogun skill exists in v2.2 but not in v2.0 and that can make quite a difference.

Correct, however they didn't really explain what autogun covered with enough detail - there's been previous discussions on that very topic.
For example, a strict reading of the rules appears to imply that autogun should be used for any weapon firing bursts - this seems a bit odd given that could be anything from an automatic pistol (such as the Stechin) right up to 40+mm anti aircraft guns fired using radar and computer tracking systems. Obviously a bit of common sense needs to be applied by the GM on a case by case basis.

[Panther Al]

Correct, however they didn't really explain what autogun covered with enough detail - there's been previous discussions on that very topic.
For example, a strict reading of the rules appears to imply that autogun should be used for any weapon firing bursts - this seems a bit odd given that could be anything from an automatic pistol (such as the Stechin) right up to 40+mm anti aircraft guns fired using radar and computer tracking systems. Obviously a bit of common sense needs to be applied by the GM on a case by case basis.

I'm with Leg here on this: Autogun is an incredibly useful skill, but you have to use common sense with it. I broke it down into a subset, much like small arms: Man Portable (Machine Guns) and Vehicular (IFV Autocannon). While they are both burst weapons, there is enough difference to warrant a skill subset.

[Legbreaker]

I tend to use small arms rifle for bipod mounted weapons and lighter, and autogun for mounted machineguns and up. My experience with the M60 leads me to feel rifle skill is the more appropriate to use on the ground. A character may suffer an initial penalty if they've only ever handled a hunting rifle or shotgun though, at least until they've fired off a few hundred rounds and/or been given formal military training by somebody experienced with the weapon in question.

I also tend to think underbarrel grenade launchers should still be able to be used with rifle skill as it was in 2.0, for direct fire at least. Using indirect fire is another matter which GL skill should be used for.

Automatic grenade launchers are an interesting situation - autogun because they fire bursts, or grenade launcher because they have a fairly slow moving round on an arcing trajectory

[Panther Al]

I tend to use small arms rifle for bipod mounted weapons and lighter, and autogun for mounted machineguns and up. My experience with the M60 leads me to feel rifle skill is the more appropriate to use on the ground. A character may suffer an initial penalty if they've only ever handled a hunting rifle or shotgun though, at least until they've fired off a few hundred rounds and/or been given formal military training by somebody experienced with the weapon in question.

I also tend to think underbarrel grenade launchers should still be able to be used with rifle skill as it was in 2.0, for direct fire at least. Using indirect fire is another matter which GL skill should be used for.

Automatic grenade launchers are an interesting situation - autogun because they fire bursts, or grenade launcher because they have a fairly slow moving round on an arcing trajectory

So basically less than .50 means rifle, and the larger stuff for Autogun Makes sense.


With AGL's I split the difference. Autogun for Direct Fire, GL for indirect.

[B.T.]

I let the players decide, wether they use "Small Arms: Rifle" or "Autogun", if they want to fire light or medium MGs.

Up to now I used "Autogun" for heavy MGs and automatic GLs. But it makes some sense to use the Grenade Launcher Skill for indirect fire.

@ Panther Al:
Are there any additional things to bear in mind (Firing bursts with AGLs)

[boogiedowndonovan]

Hi,

I prefer 2.2 over 2.0, no real reason besides the fact that it is the last version of T2k.

I haven't cracked open the 2.2 rulebook in awhile but one of the big things that players don't like is that the older your character gets, the less skills they can obtain. In 2.0, after first term, your character gains a set number of skill points per term, 4 points I think, that can be allocated amongst your career skills. In 2.2, after first term, your character gets 4 skill points, then as the character ages, the number of skill points decreases. I think they made up for this by giving more first term skills as well as zero level skills (no penalties basically)

of course my players tried to game the system and switch careers every so often but I kinda discouraged that. (no one else wanted to be GM so I got to make the rules). I ways always more into the "role-playing" aspect vs the "roll-playing"

2.2 also replaced the LAV-75 with the M-8 AGS...

[M-Type]

I myself fancy a bit of 'role-playing' over 'roll-playing'.