Tall Ships of Twilight 2000

[Olefin]

A place for discussing known tall ships that could be active in the Twilight 2000 world of late 2000 early 2001 - this is just a sampling and shows the kind of ships that could be encountered either in the hands of navies, marauders and pirates or in commercial sevice as freighters

Canon has two known tall ships

USS Hyman Rickover - in USN service - armed barkentine Gazela Primeiro

USS Constitution replica - armed frigate

original USS Constitution - she is not mentioned in Last Submarine and her fate is not indicated in Gateway to the Spanish Main - so she could have been taken by the USN for use

Real World examples that should still be in operation if they werent lost

Concordia - barkentine in Canadian navy service

KRI Dewaruci - Indonesian Navy barkentine

Arung Samudera - Indonesian Navy Class B schooner

USS Niagara - sailing brig from the War of 1812 - Lake Erie

USCGC Eagle (WIX-327) - Barque in Coast Guard Service pre-war

USS Constellation - she would have been in a refit in Baltimore and thus if finished able to sail on her own by mid 1998

[James Langham]

From memory, Going Home mentions a German training ship that is missing.

A place for discussing known tall ships that could be active in the Twilight 2000 world of late 2000 early 2001 - this is just a sampling and shows the kind of ships that could be encountered either in the hands of navies, marauders and pirates or in commercial sevice as freighters

Canon has two known tall ships

USS Hyman Rickover - in USN service - armed barkentine Gazela Primeiro

USS Constitution replica - armed frigate

original USS Constitution - she is not mentioned in Last Submarine and her fate is not indicated in Gateway to the Spanish Main - so she could have been taken by the USN for use

Real World examples that should still be in operation if they werent lost

Concordia - barkentine in Canadian navy service

KRI Dewaruci - Indonesian Navy barkentine

Arung Samudera - Indonesian Navy Class B schooner

USS Niagara - sailing brig from the War of 1812 - Lake Erie

USCGC Eagle (WIX-327) - Barque in Coast Guard Service pre-war

USS Constellation - she would have been in a refit in Baltimore and thus if finished able to sail on her own by mid 1998

[RN7]

From memory, Going Home mentions a German training ship that is missing.

Probably the Gorch Fock II built in 1958. She was originaly built to replace the original German naval training ship the Gorch Fock which was scuttled in 1945, then salvaged by the Soviets and renamed the Tovarishch. The Tovarishch was then transfered to the Ukraine in 1991 and ended up back in Germany in 1999 and was converted to a museum ship and renamed the Gorch Fock.

[weswood]

I did some research on this, never wa happy with a replica Constitution. Way too large a crew needed. Of course, all my research notes & links were lost when my old computer crashed, but I think this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Surprise_(replica_ship) was the one I chose as a replacement.

[Canadian Army]

Here are a couple of links to help

List of tall ships: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tall_ships

List of large sailing vessels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ailing_vessels

[Olefin]

by the way - love the idea of two or more tall ships fighting it out with modern weaponry or even old cannons that still work - sort of a modern version of the Napoleanic naval wars

[Adm.Lee]

The original USS Constitution IRL was refitted for sailing in the 1990s for her bicentennial. She might be somewhat seaworthy.

I have no argument with substituting the Surprise for her as a "movie-built replica" as IIRC, she's appeared in several movies. And how could I turn down a chance to let my PCs sail on "our dear Surprise" {Huge fan of the novels and the flick}

[Canadian Army]

The HMCS Oriole (KC 480); the sail training vessel of the Royal Canadian Navy based at CFB Esquimalt in Victoria, British Columbia; would be seen on west coast.

[Olefin]

Posted this in the Frankenstorm thread too but appropriate here as well - the HMS Bounty replica that was built for the 1962 movie just went down off the NC coast in the storm - shows what a hurricane can do and offers obvious ideas for similar disasters in the Twilight 2000 world where such ships would be pressed into service as either freighters, transports or warships again

[Hybris]

http://blogg.forsvarsmakten.se/gladanochfalken/information-in-english/

[antimedic]

Learned about the Bounty about an hour ago. This sucks, we had the chance to tour the ship and meet the crew this spring here in St. Augustine. Last we heard, 14 have been rescued, and 2, including the Captain are still missing.

[dvyws]

Why mess abut with frgates and training ships
The Royal Navy still as the Victory in comission - how hard would it be to flood the drydock she sits in, and Presto! Britannia rules the waves once more!

Might have fun finding a crew for her of course...

And so begins the next naval arms race!

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Why mess abut with frgates and training ships
The Royal Navy still as the Victory in comission - how hard would it be to flood the drydock she sits in, and Presto! Britannia rules the waves once more!

Might have fun finding a crew for her of course...

And so begins the next naval arms race!

Actually considering that even by canon, the US has a Ohio class nuclear submarine (USS City of Corpus Christi) and one operational Spruance class destroyer (USS John Hancock), I'd have to say advantage: USN. But by all means, try to rule the waves in wooden sailing vessels!

All kidding aside, except for the missions the City of Corpus Christi undertakes, I'd wager 99% of all naval ops post-2000, for at least a decade or two, are going to be brown-water only for whatever primary belligerent country's navy. Brazil, Taiwan and a couple of other nations still have operable carriers, making them the preeminent blue-water navies...

[Panther Al]

Why mess abut with frgates and training ships
The Royal Navy still as the Victory in comission - how hard would it be to flood the drydock she sits in, and Presto! Britannia rules the waves once more!

Might have fun finding a crew for her of course...

And so begins the next naval arms race!

From what I recall, thats a non-starter. Her hull is in horrible shape - far to gone to be returned to seaworthy conditions shy of more than a few tens of millions of dollars in work.

[Olefin]

According to A Rock In Troubled Waters they have at least three Forest Sherman DD's still in commission as well between Cape May and Norfolk along with several smaller ships as well.

And dont count the US out as to carriers - they still have one Harrier carrier left in the RDF which is the equal of the Brazil or Thai carrier. And most likely at least one of their full size ones is still left - but not operational due to fuel constraints (a carrier without fuel for her planes is still a carrier but not an operational one after all)