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  • #16
    Arabian peninsula, California and Nordic countries.

    (Well now its time drink heavily, while wearing white cap. You know its drinking day over here...)

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    • #17
      Arabian peninsula is a good one - I was actually surprised when I re-read the RDF once i owned it that Oman isnt mentioned in any of the forces there. They are definitely pro-US but they were totally forgotten.

      And Yemen would be a great troublemaker for the French and Saudis to have to deal with.

      Thanks!

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      • #18
        Africa

        Africa...not just Kenya which has seen plenty of input so far but the entire continent.

        Lots of countries that most Americans have never heard of before or even find on a map. Also lots of ethnic groups that most Americans have never heard of or seen outside of a National Geographic magazine. And a lot of these countries are situated on natural resources that most of the developed world wants and needs.

        in regards to a disclaimer, if you are worried about it, you might want to check out the Far Future fair use policy: http://www.farfuture.net/FFEFairUsePolicy2008.pdf

        (sorry link thingamajig isn't working, got an error message, Kato)

        Far Future is the current owner of T2k. You can also contacting them at Far Future Enterprises, 1418 N Clinton Blvd, Bloomington, IL 61701 USA.
        Email: farfuture@gmail.com.

        You can also take a look at chico's site, he's got the disclaimer listed in the pdf but substitute Twilight 2000 for Traveller.

        -bdd

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        • #19
          Originally posted by James Langham View Post
          I'm looking at the Indonesia/Australia conflict and would more than welcome any help.
          Before doing anything, it's worth reading up on the WWII experiences of the Australians in PNG, in particular the Kokoda campaign. The terrain is absolutely ABYSMAL and without air support nearly impossible to operate in.
          With the lack of roads in the region, movement by foot is the only option once aircraft, helicopters in particular are out of the picture. Therefore, with the much heavier loads of soldiers in the late 90's compared to 1942, offensive operations are extremely unlikely.
          If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

          Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

          Mors ante pudorem

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          • #20
            Originally posted by boogiedowndonovan View Post
            Africa...not just Kenya which has seen plenty of input so far but the entire continent.

            Lots of countries that most Americans have never heard of before or even find on a map. Also lots of ethnic groups that most Americans have never heard of or seen outside of a National Geographic magazine. And a lot of these countries are situated on natural resources that most of the developed world wants and needs.

            in regards to a disclaimer, if you are worried about it, you might want to check out the Far Future fair use policy: http://www.farfuture.net/FFEFairUsePolicy2008.pdf

            (sorry link thingamajig isn't working, got an error message, Kato)

            Far Future is the current owner of T2k. You can also contacting them at Far Future Enterprises, 1418 N Clinton Blvd, Bloomington, IL 61701 USA.
            Email: farfuture@gmail.com.

            You can also take a look at chico's site, he's got the disclaimer listed in the pdf but substitute Twilight 2000 for Traveller.

            -bdd
            Thank you very much BDD - that was exactly the info that I was looking for as to the permissions I need to put up with anything I publish! Defintely not looking to get into any legal trouble at all. I may even submit what I do to Far Future first and see if they are interested in it as an offical submission - hey a guy can dream cant he

            So you know what I am putting together on Kenya will have info on all the surrounding countries around it (i.e. Tanzania, Rwanda, etc..) with the intention of possibly doing more sourcebooks as well. It will be a blend of T2000 with some events from the real timeline brought in as well.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Legbreaker View Post
              Before doing anything, it's worth reading up on the WWII experiences of the Australians in PNG, in particular the Kokoda campaign. The terrain is absolutely ABYSMAL and without air support nearly impossible to operate in.
              With the lack of roads in the region, movement by foot is the only option once aircraft, helicopters in particular are out of the picture. Therefore, with the much heavier loads of soldiers in the late 90's compared to 1942, offensive operations are extremely unlikely.
              Actually you would see helos and the such in that war Leg - at least in the beginning and even now but in very limited numbers (Australia most likely still has some oil production going just not as much as before) most likely due to lack of spare parts to keep the helos going.

              I do think offensive operations can be done - but that most of them will be either seaborne around the periphery or by light infantry and Special Ops types or using native troops who operate with lighter loads.

              And if your load is too heavy - well then you find out what you dont need and what you do. (Think the scene at the beginning of Platoon where Charlie Sheen gets told to dump a lot of unnecessary equipment before he goes out on patrol)

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              • #22
                I'm
                Interested in anything based in the US. Something like perhaps regional sourcebooks if that makes sense.

                In addition if anyone had scenarios or other materials for a US campaign I'd be happy to receive them.
                Me that am what I am

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                • #23
                  TicToc - regional sourcebooks conforming to Howling Wildnerness and Kidnapped or ones that are based without the drought Just wondering as there are those who lean both ways on the board and trying to see what people are looking for.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Olefin View Post
                    And if your load is too heavy - well then you find out what you dont need and what you do. (Think the scene at the beginning of Platoon where Charlie Sheen gets told to dump a lot of unnecessary equipment before he goes out on patrol)
                    Once again, I suggest actually doing a little research on the terrain and military history of the region before making sweeping and uneducated statements.
                    We're not talking about short ranged patrols of a day or two by a relatively small unit, but long term operations of weeks and months by battalions and brigades.

                    The 39th Battalion commenced operations in July 1942 with approximately 700 men of all ranks. They were supported by approximately 1,000 native carriers over upwards of 60 miles of mountainous terrain with no roads - only a single track which in places required climbing up and down on hands and knees while enduring near monsoonal rains.
                    Following Japan's sudden entry into the Second World War, a new 39th was raised as part of the 30th Brigade to garrison Port Moresby. The 39th joined the 49th Infantry Battalion, already in Moresby, and the 53rd Infantry Battalion, which had been quickly formed in Sydney. The 39th arrived in Moresby at the start of January 1942, with little military training.

                    The 39th was initially used for garrison duties and working parties. In June it was ordered to proceed up the Kokoda Trail to block any possible Japanese overland advance. The 39th B Company and troops from the Papuan Infantry Battalion (PIB) reached Kokoda on 15 July. Japanese forces landed at Gona, on the north coast of Papua, a week later and quickly moved inland.

                    The first clash occurred at Awala on 23 July and the Australians fell back to Kokoda. On 29 July the Japanese attacked Kokoda and the Australians were forced to withdraw to Deniki early the next morning. On 8 August the 39th launched a counter-attack at Kokoda but, outnumbered and short of ammunition, fell back to Deniki after two days of fighting. The Australians eventually managed to repel the ongoing Japanese attack and on 14 August the 39th and PIB fell back to Isurava.

                    Fighting ceased for almost two weeks. During this time the 39th was joined by the 53rd and the headquarters of the 30th Brigade. On 23 August the 2/14th and 2/16th Battalions from the 7th Division 21st Brigade also reached the area. The Japanese resumed their advance on 26 August. Despite hard fighting the Australians were forced back to Eora Creek on 30 August, Templeton's Crossing on 2 September, and Efogi three days later.

                    Exhausted, the 39th was relieved and sent down the track to Koitaki to rest. The 7th Division 25th Brigade (comprising the 3rd Infantry Battalion and the 2/1st Pioneer Battalion) came in to reinforce the Australian effort. Bitter fighting ensued and the Australians withdrew to Imita Ridge on 17 September. However, the Japanese had reached their limit and on 24 September began to withdrawal. The Australians reoccupied Kokoda on 2 November.

                    Meanwhile, after a month at Koitaki, the 39th returned to Port Moresby in mid-October, where it prepared defensive positions at Pyramid Point. The interlude from fighting was brief.

                    Having pushed the Japanese back across the Kokoda Trail, the 16th and 25th Brigades and two inexperienced American regiments were engaged in the "battle of the beachheads" at Buna, Gona, and Sanananda. The Japanese positions were well-prepared and heavily defended. At the end of November the 30th Brigade was flown across the Owen Stanley's to reinforce the attack. The 39th became attached to the 21st Brigade.

                    The 21st Brigade captured Gona village on 1 December and the Japanese withdrew to Gona Mission. The Australians advanced on the Mission on 6 December but were stopped by the Japanese. The 39th D Company was "literally shot to pieces". The combined fighting strength of the 21st Brigade was now down to 755 men, of whom 403 were from the 39th. Nonetheless, on 8 December the 39th attacked again and captured half of the Japanese defences by nightfall. Gona Mission was captured the next day and on 18 December the 39th took the last Japanese position at the creek west of Gona.

                    Fierce fighting continued further along the coast and on 21 December the 21st Brigade and 39th moved to the Sanananda Track. The next morning the 39th moved into a forward position called Huggins' Road Block. The 39th defended the area and attacked nearby Japanese positions. In the New Year it withdrew to Soputa and returned to the 30th Brigade.

                    The 39th had suffered heavily. When the battalion was flown to Moresby on 25 January it mustered a mere handful of soldiers - 7 officers and 25 men. It rested at Morseby and gradually gained strength as men returned from hospital.
                    It's worth noting the logistical situation in 1942 was very similar to that likely in T2K - the Australians only had the native carriers (who needed to eat nearly their entire load capacity) and two (2) Dakota aircraft which were only able to sortie on average twice a day due to weather conditions in the mountains. Even when they could fly, there was only one suitable drop zone and once Kokoda was lost early on, no landing strips. ALL casualties had to endure a week or more of being carried along the extremely difficult track before they could receive anything more than first aid (if that).

                    A list of suggested reading can be found here: http://www.39battalion.org/Books.pdf
                    If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

                    Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

                    Mors ante pudorem

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                    • #25
                      "Once again, I suggest actually doing a little research on the terrain and military history of the region before making sweeping and uneducated statements.
                      We're not talking about short ranged patrols of a day or two by a relatively small unit, but long term operations of weeks and months by battalions and brigades."

                      First off you have not said that to me before

                      Second insults wont get you anywhere

                      Third I was referring basically to patrol like short offensives by small units or Special Forces - not a long term sustained one.

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                      • #26
                        One area I haven't seen mentioned is southern Europe. We know from the original timeline the Greeks (with Italian support I'm not sure on this) were duking it out with the Turks. I'm sure something could be done with that.
                        I never cared for the idea that the Italians would strike through neutral Austria to get at the Germans. It just didn't make sense to me.
                        Also, what about Spain and Portugal I don't think I even saw those two nations mentioned in any T2K product.

                        Now my thoughts are expanding to the whole Mediterranean region. The eastern part might fit in with an expansion to the RDF Sourcebook: Israel, Syria, etc.

                        Someone mentioned South America; perhaps Central America as well. I'm sure in the T2K world, there's plenty of action going on there.
                        Also, Gateway to the Spanish Main could be expanded on, into a Caribbean Sourcebook.

                        I could go on but hell, I'd end up just listing every region on the planet ultimately then.
                        "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dis...."

                        Major General John Sedgwick, Union Army (1813 - 1864)

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                        • #27
                          this thread is starting to go down the road we've seen before. Let's chill out everyone.

                          Originally posted by Bullet Magnet View Post
                          One area I haven't seen mentioned is southern Europe. We know from the original timeline the Greeks (with Italian support I'm not sure on this) were duking it out with the Turks. I'm sure something could be done with that.
                          I never cared for the idea that the Italians would strike through neutral Austria to get at the Germans. It just didn't make sense to me.
                          Also, what about Spain and Portugal I don't think I even saw those two nations mentioned in any T2K product.

                          Now my thoughts are expanding to the whole Mediterranean region. The eastern part might fit in with an expansion to the RDF Sourcebook: Israel, Syria, etc.

                          Someone mentioned South America; perhaps Central America as well. I'm sure in the T2K world, there's plenty of action going on there.
                          Also, Gateway to the Spanish Main could be expanded on, into a Caribbean Sourcebook.

                          I could go on but hell, I'd end up just listing every region on the planet ultimately then.
                          I'm with you on listing every region of the planet. Antartica anyone

                          On a serious note, the Med does get some treatement in the Last Sub series. The second module in that is titled "Mediterranean Cruise" but it doesn't go into a lot of detail about Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Turkey or Libya and Gibraltar (characters make stops in Libya and Gibraltar)

                          The Big Yellow Book (2.x) has paragraphs on Spain, Portugal, Italy and Turkey. I haven't memorized them and I'm at work but someone with access to the Big Yellow Book can elaborate.

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                          • #28
                            Med Cruise has some very general info on Spain, Greece and Libya and Romania, basically enough to make a very rough outline and not much more.

                            One thing I will try to do is what is happening in Yugoslavia - the only intact US Army in Europe is still there, 3 divisions worth of men. And the canon, besides what little is mentioned in the timeline and in the US Vehicle Guide is largely silent there (and I dont count the Eastern European Sourcebook - it is full of misinformation)

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                            • #29
                              Wanted to bring this thread back to life now that new material is finally being added to the Twilight 2000 canon

                              Marc Miller definitely is looking for more canon releases for Twilight 2000 now that the East Africa Sourcebook has been released in order to keep expanding and adding to the canon - I am definitely looking for ideas that people are interested in for follow ups - have a few of my own that I am already working on

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                              • #30
                                Naval (got some ideas there), Korea, California (You'd have to split it up into NorCal and SoCal), maybe an Air Force one for the USAF, another for the USMC (covered in U.S. Army Vehicle Guide, but....).
                                Treat everyone you meet with kindness and respect, but always have a plan to kill them.

                                Old USMC Adage

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