What areas are people interested for modules, mini-adventures and sourcebooks

[James Langham2]

centuriuons

Possible sources for Centurions:

Switzerland (who had bought them from SA in the first place!)

Singapore (from INdia and Israel)

Worth noting that Somalia had 30 Centurions in the late 1980s from Kuwait

[lordroel]

There is an Osprey coming out/is out on armour of the SA border war so that might give extra info.

That is something i will buy if i ever get the change.

[cawest]

a new equipment source book. "Improvised Armored Vehicles".


it would have images and stats of all kinds of gun trucks, armored bulldozers, mg to cannon to ATGM armed technicals, river, near coast and deep water pirates. maybe even gun trains.


some ideas could be found from Syria, Kurds, and Africa

[RN7]

There is an Osprey coming out/is out on armour of the SA border war so that might give extra info.

I need to get that. I have Osprey's South African Special Forces book.

Here is a link to an article about South African operations in Angola in the late 1980's.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a526489.pdf

[The Dark]

Possible sources for Centurions:

Switzerland (who had bought them from SA in the first place!)

Singapore (from INdia and Israel)

Worth noting that Somalia had 30 Centurions in the late 1980s from Kuwait

I'm not sure they'd need more. South Africa had 224 Olifant Mk.1 (total for both A and B) in service in 1996 in our timeline, along with 28 bridge-laying Olifants. FAPLA had T-54/55 (150) and T-62 (175), while PLAN had T-34 and T-55 that were rolled into the NDF. AFAIK, T-72 didn't reach the area until 1999 (again, in our timeline), and I need convincing that the Soviet Union would send anything other than T-54/55 and T-62 to either FAPLA or PLAN, since that's not a priority theater for them. I also realize I just come up with an argument against the Rooikat 105 I suggested earlier, since the Rooikat 76 is capable of defeating all FAPLA or PLAN armor at 2 kilometers; the 105 is unnecessary unless heavier armor is deployed.

If they do buy more, Israeli Sho't Kal might be another source. They were one of the inspirations for the Olifant, and would fit in well. Israel had 390 of them in the mid-80s but started converting them to HAPCs as the Merkavas entered service, so I'm not sure how many would still be available (although the HAPCs could be converted back by Denel).

[cawest]

I'm not sure they'd need more. South Africa had 224 Olifant Mk.1 (total for both A and B) in service in 1996 in our timeline, along with 28 bridge-laying Olifants. FAPLA had T-54/55 (150) and T-62 (175), while PLAN had T-34 and T-55 that were rolled into the NDF. AFAIK, T-72 didn't reach the area until 1999 (again, in our timeline), and I need convincing that the Soviet Union would send anything other than T-54/55 and T-62 to either FAPLA or PLAN, since that's not a priority theater for them. I also realize I just come up with an argument against the Rooikat 105 I suggested earlier, since the Rooikat 76 is capable of defeating all FAPLA or PLAN armor at 2 kilometers; the 105 is unnecessary unless heavier armor is deployed.

If they do buy more, Israeli Sho't Kal might be another source. They were one of the inspirations for the Olifant, and would fit in well. Israel had 390 of them in the mid-80s but started converting them to HAPCs as the Merkavas entered service, so I'm not sure how many would still be available (although the HAPCs could be converted back by Denel).

they might send T-72 to "high profile" units, maybe a company or so not T80's or newer. as the war went on resupply, i think would go all the down to t34's, they had them already and parts and knowledge was there.

why 105 vs 76mm...

the 76 would work against T62, but not if it they were fit with ERA. when planning you have to think 10 years in advance of your data. The SA might be getting a "warning" about "new" tanks coming into there local area.."soon". that would drive making a local product that could ambush kill T-72/T64.

how about having two lines. one making a lot more 76mm and a smaller one making a few 105mm turrets.

also the 76mm is not a "nato" round. getting 105mm Nato type rounds would be alot cheaper and would simplify working with Olifants with the L7's. i don't think the 76mm has a canister round.

[RN7]

FAPLA had T-54/55 (150) and T-62 (175), while PLAN had T-34 and T-55 that were rolled into the NDF. AFAIK, T-72 didn't reach the area until 1999 (again, in our timeline)

Military Balance lists Angola as having 300 T-54/T-55s in early 1990s, along with the T-62s and T-34s.

UNITA also had about 70 captured T-54/T-55 and some T-34s. Pro-Soviet Mozambique also had 80 T-54/T-55s.

[ArmySGT.]

a new equipment source book. "Improvised Armored Vehicles".


it would have images and stats of all kinds of gun trucks, armored bulldozers, mg to cannon to ATGM armed technicals, river, near coast and deep water pirates. maybe even gun trains.


some ideas could be found from Syria, Kurds, and Africa

there is enough variety in Africa to do a sole "Wild Tales of AFRICOM" source book with just Zimbabwe, Angola, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, and South Africa. Keeping with locally produced or technicals can give you a 200 page source book pretty quick.

[cawest]

there is enough variety in Africa to do a sole "Wild Tales of AFRICOM" source book with just Zimbabwe, Angola, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, and South Africa. Keeping with locally produced or technicals can give you a 200 page source book pretty quick.

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I know, an't that cool. and i forgot to put aircraft on the list.

[Olefin]

Thats why I said the GM's are free to improvise with Technicals instead of trying to make a specific "this is a Somali Technical" - if you want an idea of just how outlandish a gun truck or Technical can be look at what the Libyan resistance came up with when they were fighting a few years ago against the Libyan Army - I think the shorter list would be what can't you put on an AWD truck or jeep than what you can

and I like that title "Wild Tales of AFRICOM"

[ArmySGT.]

Thats why I said the GM's are free to improvise with Technicals instead of trying to make a specific "this is a Somali Technical" - if you want an idea of just how outlandish a gun truck or Technical can be look at what the Libyan resistance came up with when they were fighting a few years ago against the Libyan Army - I think the shorter list would be what can't you put on an AWD truck or jeep than what you can

and I like that title "Wild Tales of AFRICOM"

ISIS leads the way. Scan towards the bottom for a T-55 VBIED loaded with probably 3-5 ton of explosives and detonated. OryxBlog


Title is yours. I would never have a use for it. My T2K is either yoorup or murica based modules.

[cawest]

Thats why I said the GM's are free to improvise with Technicals instead of trying to make a specific "this is a Somali Technical" - if you want an idea of just how outlandish a gun truck or Technical can be look at what the Libyan resistance came up with when they were fighting a few years ago against the Libyan Army - I think the shorter list would be what can't you put on an AWD truck or jeep than what you can

and I like that title "Wild Tales of AFRICOM"

most GM's are hard pressed as it is. I know when I had to be one, I would steal what ever I could for filler and with these types of weapons, it would take some work to get ideas of what had been used in real life. because if you have looked at some of them... let just say that someone must have been on LSD when they came up with the idea.

[The Dark]

they might send T-72 to "high profile" units, maybe a company or so not T80's or newer. as the war went on resupply, i think would go all the down to t34's, they had them already and parts and knowledge was there.

why 105 vs 76mm...

the 76 would work against T62, but not if it they were fit with ERA. when planning you have to think 10 years in advance of your data. The SA might be getting a "warning" about "new" tanks coming into there local area.."soon". that would drive making a local product that could ambush kill T-72/T64.

how about having two lines. one making a lot more 76mm and a smaller one making a few 105mm turrets.

also the 76mm is not a "nato" round. getting 105mm Nato type rounds would be alot cheaper and would simplify working with Olifants with the L7's. i don't think the 76mm has a canister round.

South Africa was working on a canister round for the 76mm back around 2010 or so. I haven't heard whether it got deployed along with the existing HE and APFSDS. It's not NATO-standard, but it's heavily used - the only major NATO fleet that doesn't use it is the UK.

For T-62s with ERA, they're rare. When the USSR broke up, only 113 of them existed (using Kontakt-1). I haven't seen any claims that type of ERA was effective against KE rounds (unlike Kontakt-5, which added ~250mm RHA equivalent to the armor thickness).

[ArmySGT.]

Thats why I said the GM's are free to improvise with Technicals instead of trying to make a specific "this is a Somali Technical" - if you want an idea of just how outlandish a gun truck or Technical can be look at what the Libyan resistance came up with when they were fighting a few years ago against the Libyan Army - I think the shorter list would be what can't you put on an AWD truck or jeep than what you can

and I like that title "Wild Tales of AFRICOM"

To be fair to the nations listed "technicals" do have a local flavor. A Somali built technical is typically a Range Rover or Toyota Hilux sporting one of four weapon systems (typically, there are more) DsHK, KPV, Recoilless Rifle (Soviet or U.S.), or a Soviet 23mm ZPU 23-1 or 23-2. Eritrea is DsHKs or PK on civvie cars with the roof cut off. Angola, may find a turretless T-55 with multiple MGs welded to cover sectors.

[lordroel]

Do not know if this is the right place for it but have created a list of the South African Navy before the outbreak of the war. Not mention are the tugs in use with the South African Navy.

Good page to see more about the South African navy is called: "The South African Navy during the years of conflict in Southern Africa 1966-1989"

South African Navy

Submarines

Daphne class-submarines

S97 SAS Maria van Riebeeck (S97).
S98 SAS Emily Hobhouse(S98).
S99 SAS Johanna van der Merwe (S99).

Fast attack craft

General-class-class strike craft

General-class-class strike craft in service with the South African Navy are modified Sa'ar 4.5 class fast attack craft, three where build to replace the three President-class Type 12 frigates who where decommissioned in the early 1990s.

SAS de Wet (P1570)
SAS Piet Joubert (P1571)
SAS Jan Kemp (P1572)

Warrior-class strike craft

The Warrior-class strike craft in service with the South African Navy are modified Sa'ar 4 (Reshef) class fast attack craft.

SAS Jan Smuts (P1561)
SAS P.W. Botha (P1562)
SAS Frederic Creswell (P1563)
SAS Jim Fouch (P1564)
SAS Frans Erasmus (P1565)
SAS Oswald Pirow (P1566)
SAS Hendrik Mentz (P1567)
SAS Kobie Coetsee (P1568)
SAS Magnus Malan (P1569)

Depot/replenishment ships

SAS Tafelberg
SAS Drakensberg

Mine counter measures vessels

River-class mine counter measures vessels

SAS Umkomaas
SAS Umhloti
SAS Umgeni
SAS Umzimkulu

Ton-class minesweepers

SAS Windhoek
SAS East London
SAS Kimberley
SAS Walvisbaai

Patrol boat

Namacurra-class harbour patrol boat

Pennant Numbers Y1501 - Y1530