Collected Works of the DC Group

[Graebarde]

Great work to all the DC group. I really got into this as I read it. Someone had some of the same ideas I had and actually put them on paper! Keep them coming, and if you get stumped, just ask.. who know I might have an opinion on it


The idea of someone actually getting TWW for Twilight is awesome. In your Twilight rules for TWW you mention the add on maps. I have the set, but only three maps. Where can I find the others if I might ask. I joined the TWW group Friday, but haven't had a chance to surf it yet.

Again thanks guys for all your hard works. It is a passion, not just a hobby.


Grae

[chico20854]

Thanks Chico.

I know that you guys are super-busy with everything but I've got to say that what I am looking forward to the most is the Polish Army Vehicle guide. The Czech one you did a couple of years ago now is by far the coolest "home-brew" T2K thing I have ever seen. As one of the many GMs out there running a campaign in Poland, a PVG would be an incredibly useful source. Please, don't make me beg.

It will be a while on that one, unfortunately...

The orbat part is done, the graphics are largely in place, but the unit histories are awaiting the wargaming of the NATO spring-summer 1997 campaign. (And that's awaiting time from us, and a little bit of research into Soviet Frontal Aviation orbats...)

[Snake Eyes]

I don't recall if I've said it recently - and even if I have it still bears repeating - the stuff you guys crank out really is top flight. Thanks again for your continued dedication to excellence in support of the Twilight community.

[Twilight2000v3MM]

VERY impressive!!!!! Hey anyoen come up with anything specific on Yugoslavia splinters

[Graebarde]

5 Mech REFORGER

Am I missing something REFORGER didn't start until FRG crossed IGB did it And at that time Belgium declared neutrality and withdrew from NATO

If these are the case, then how does 5 Mech do REFORGER Their equipment is in POMCUS 5 in BELGIUM! ALSO there would be a mad rush to get SHAFE HQ out of Belgium also. And what about the Belgian corps, which has combat units in FRG at the time Ahaaaaaaaa. We'll trade your units for the right to get our stuff out of your country. And then we'll leave it like we found it. Hey Wolfgang, come here.

Grae

[chico20854]

REFORGER kicks off in early October, when the Bundeswehr crosses the IGB. Belgium withdraws from NATO following the US entry into the war in December, so there is a roughly six week window for the 5th to get its POMCUS equipment out of Belgium. (Even if there was a problem, the Germans could raise an "issue " with the withdrawal of the Belgian Corps - an equipment tax, maybe! Foolish, but tit for tat isn't all that uncommon... I'd say its unlikely overall).

The German invasion of the DDR is run from national command posts (it's strictly a FRG op). Once the US, UK and Canada cross over and the pre-war NATO command structure falls apart, there is a flurry of activity to relocate SHAPE (and other NATO assets, like the US 485th Tactical Missile Wing, with 48 GLCM cruise missiles) from Belgium and other now non-NATO nations and juggle personnel assignments in multi-national HQ's to replace people from nations that quit NATO.

One reason (of many) that the NATO offensive into Poland doesn't begin until the spring of 1997 is that NATO is undergoing this complicated rearrangement of its command structure and logistics. It helps that the organization was structured in peacetime to continue functioning while absorbing combat losses and retreating on a nearly-continuous basis.

[pmulcahy11b]

Just an aside, your Hogan's Heroes avatar always brings a smile, Chico. People will often hear out of me the phrase, "You ought to be shot and sent to the Russian front..."

[chico20854]

Just an aside, your Hogan's Heroes avatar always brings a smile, Chico. People will often hear out of me the phrase, "You ought to be shot and sent to the Russian front..."

Oddly enough, I most often find myself saying "I know NOTHING!"

Must be the supply sergeant in me...

[Graebarde]

Thanks for the clairification Chico.

[Jason Weiser]

Just an aside, your Hogan's Heroes avatar always brings a smile, Chico. People will often hear out of me the phrase, "You ought to be shot and sent to the Russian front..."

Shouldn't it be "sent to the Russian Front and then shot" I mean...if you're dead before you get there...unless the Russians are intimidated by scarecrows...I don't see it...then again, I am more of the "HOGAAAN!" type!

[Twilight2000v3MM]

Kinda off topic but one of my favorite movie quotes is "I learned in Stalingrad. Natural body oils, combined with dirt, can keep you waterproof."

[pmulcahy11b]

Shouldn't it be "sent to the Russian Front and then shot" I mean...if you're dead before you get there...unless the Russians are intimidated by scarecrows...I don't see it...then again, I am more of the "HOGAAAN!" type!

Well. that's what made what Colonel Klink said so ridiculous! Besides, I would think that if you want to punish someone, sending them to the worst front in the war pre-wounded would do it!

[chico20854]

Well, given the discussions about Iraq and Asia I thought I should update this thread.

Obviously, the characterization of our effort has been changed in the year and a quarter since it was written. I'd rather not re-open that discussion, instead I'd like to bring you up to date on where we are and what we're working towards.

At this point, we have completed orbats at brigade/division level for almost every army that is (1) in NATO or the Warsaw Pact (2) their allies, like Iran, North Korea, and Mongolia or (3) in combat against one of the previous two. We've described those units in Third World War wargaming terms and have revised the rules to take into account the special situations that the T2k scenario present. The unit list is 19 pages or so, three columns of 8-point type... so far. (And that's probably 2000 or more hours of work at this point). I've slowly been posting most of the orbats over the years; The tank-net NATO orbat is detailed enough that for many nations I haven't written up a seperate orbat, although the various vehicle guides will have complete orbats.

I've worked up maps of Manchuria and Korea suitable for Third World War use (some need more work but are playable as long as the Chinese 1997 counterattack doesn't get too out of hand). I'm in the midst of determining garrison locations and mobilization timelines for reserve units, based on RL 1989 information or extrapolating from the Soviet Vehicle Guide.

Considering the amount of effort that has been put forth in the last three and a half years, we're damn close to being able to start wargaming things. Hopefully sometime this spring we'll begin with October 1996 in both Germany and China and things will go from there until we get to the TDM. (We'll have to pause then and figure out where to go from there, as the Third World War rules say everything falls apart at that point, which is true but obviously not so far that there isn't a 2000 Summer Offensive; but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it...) Kato and I have discussed weekly sitrep maps using his mapping tools; given his situation and the amount of time he's had to devote here lately I'm not going to say he's agreed to do it but it may be a possibility.

The end result will be much as envisioned in November 2008... a new version of the US Army Vehicle Guide, Soviet Army Guide and NATO Vehicle Guide and several new works - a Warsaw Pact Vehicle Guide and a US Maritime Guide, covering the sea services (USMC, USN & USCG). Given the near-violent reaction to the portions of the Survivor's Guide to the USA posted here and the scope of the work, with multi-page descriptions of each state, I've stopped work on it to concentrate on other parts of the project. In addition, we have or will soon be creating enough material for three additional works - an Illustrated Guide to the Third World War that brings together many of the images & captions from my website and the various works we're working on, plus a lot more. It's a very incomplete draft right now but will be a lot of fun... I work on it when I'm getting burned out on orbats. The other two works are a CENTCOM Sourcebook (hence the recent thread about Iraq) and a Northeast Asian Sourcebook, concentrating on the war in Korea and China.

Unfortunately, this is all a huge amount of work still to be done. We all have busy lives (Flamingo is finishing up a MBA, my job has become especially hellish, Law is prepping for another deployment and Jason is really busy with his family) so it may be quite a while before you see any of these works. But there is definitely a method to our madness...

And, as always, if you see something you like in this for your campaign please feel free to use it. If you think it's crap, toss it out... we just want to turn out well researched, good looking and fun work.

[Raellus]

You definitely put out the best looking fan-generated material I've ever seen for this game, or any other for that matter. I can't adequately express how much I am looking forward to the vehicle guides and illustrated history. Do keep us posted.

[Legbreaker]

How will the wargaming be carried out Is the aim to replicate the end result we're presented in the books with both sides still roughly equal in strength and the fronts as published

Will the war be played over several times, with different people controlling the various participants so that differing scenarios can be explored