Realism vs Munchkinism

[Olefin]

When the story begins you have the Soviets knocking the US Army back on its heels again, the Soviets still occupying much of Germany, and the US having lost the Southwest and a good sized piece of Alaska. Thats hardly no one won - the Soviets won their war with China, are still in possession of the areas they took and are still deep in enemy territory everywhere.

The return to Europe and Last Submarine arcs still show Soviet command and control to some extent still working and that their control of Romania and their forces in the north is still good enough to launch an invasion of Norway in the winter of 2000 and to keep a very iron grip on Romania.

Its pretty obvious that the US lost and the Soviets won - i.e. in the end there are no US or NATO forces that can threaten the Soviet Union. Their country may be falling apart but it wont be under foreign occupation.

The US cant say the same thing.

[Raellus]

Really Again

Guys, I'm about to lock and/or delete this thread. This horse has been dead for a long time and I'm really not sure why some people feel the need to dig it back up and start beating it again.

Leg and Olefin, if you guys want to continue to rehash the what is or what should never be canon debate or discuss the pro and/or anti-American bias of the T2K writers (or particular forum members) please do so via PM.

From the forum guidelines:

T2K Forum Guidelines

Keep It Civil

We can all agree to disagree but let's make sure to do so respectfully. No name-calling, sarcasm, or other childishness is appropriate or welcome here. If you are upset with someone and want them to know about it, send them a PM and try to work it out privately. If another member is really getting on your nerves, you can use the forum tools to place that person on your ignore list. We don't tolerate flame wars here.

Please don't attempt to incite internecine forum conflict with deliberately provocative and/or inflamatory posts. In interweb parlance, please don't be a troll.

[Olefin]

I am being extremely civil - and keep in mind who posted the thread first, Raellus. Actually I was about to send you an email about locking the thread anyway - you are right, its a bomb waiting to go off as it basically right from the beginning was a thrown down gauntlet instead of a civil thread.

[Legbreaker]

This thread was not created as an attack. It's a simple statement which should, and so far has, generated a response and dialogue.
It was prompted by a very similar thread Headquarters posted a few years ago http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.phpt=595

Perhaps those who are reacting strongly to this thread might tone down a bit themselves and stop believing everything is a personal attack

My position is often misrepresented as a "canon nazi". The truth is far different. I am more than happy with differing points of view and interpretations. I'm not happy with attempts to convince the community as a whole that a particular view point is the one and only "truth".

[Raellus]

Point taken, Olefin, but it takes two to tango.

Thread Locked.