Armored Gun System

[Olefin]

FYI - saw three AGS being brought out of storage - looks like we may have people interested in them again - got to get up close and personal and even after being stored for most of the last 17 years they still look ready to fight.

[Targan]

When I get home from work I might go looking for the old thread on the AGS and roll this thread into it.

So the ones you've seen recently, none of them were the one we've seen a photo of that's been left out in the open to rust all these years Great to hear that there are examples out there in good condition. I know I'm being a bit cheeky, but any chance you could sneak a photo or two of the ones you've recently seen I'm one of many AGS fanboys around here.

[Olefin]

Will see what I can do - from what I saw there were some missing rubber on the roadwheels (but that can be corrected) - otherwise they all started and ran around the track with no issues. Look to be in very good shape considering they have been sitting under a tarp for so long. Will see if I can get any pics of them.

Will keep you appraised of any info I find on if this time we finally manage to get them sold (and even better if we get a nice order for a lot more of them too)

[Matt Wiser]

I second Targan's view: on my desktop I still have the M8 AGS stuff from TR's site (RIP...) Too bad Slick Willie's administration canceled the program....

[boogiedowndonovan]

I'm one of many AGS fanboys around here.

I think AGS fanboys are outnumbered by the LAV-75 fanboys.

[Raellus]

I think AGS fanboys are outnumbered by the LAV-75 fanboys.

Amen to that.

[Matt Wiser]

I think AGS fanboys are outnumbered by the LAV-75 fanboys.

Unfortunately. But I'd rather have an M-8 AGS over a LAV-75. Level III Armor and a 105-mm with DU Silver Bullets (as long as they're available) beats a 75-mm anytime to kill tanks. And if you're shipping M-8s with Level III Armor to replace tank losses......

[Raellus]

Unfortunately. But I'd rather have an M-8 AGS over a LAV-75. Level III Armor and a 105-mm with DU Silver Bullets (as long as they're available) beats a 75-mm anytime to kill tanks. And if you're shipping M-8s with Level III Armor to replace tank losses......

And that's why we created the M20 Ridgway variant.

[Sith]

I did a little digging and found some pics I have. My masters thesis was on the AGS, and had access to all the archived Army AGS files from the program. Some of these pics may have been on the internet, but these in particular I scanned from the original photos.

[Targan]

I did my Masters Thesis on the AGS, and had access to all the archived Army AGS files from the program.

I think part of my brain just exploded. Where were you when we were having the big M-8 vs LAV 75 discussions! Is your thesis available for public viewing

[Sith]

I think part of my brain just exploded. Where were you when we were having the big M-8 vs LAV 75 discussions! Is your thesis available for public viewing

Part of it is online through Google Books. Depending on when you pull it up you might see different sections. They want you to pay for the full copy.

http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Politics_of_American_Light_Armor_Dev.htmlid=80zBfzfVrywC

While I focus a lot on the history of the AGS, keep in mind that this has a lot to do with politics - the point of the thesis was to prove political priorities, not so much the history of the AGS. Know your audience - my thesis chair was a foreign policy historian.

I always wanted to do a follow-up work strictly on the AGS (as I still have access to a lot of the primary source material). Real life happened and I have family and work commitments that come first.

As far as the AGS vs. the LAV 75 thread... See the above statement. It always seemed as if the topic came up when I was surging at work (which happens more than I would like). I just didn't have the time.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Some excellent photos there Sith, thanks for posting them. They really illustrate well the add-on armour system.

[Sith]

Here are some glamour shots that I scanned.

[Matt Wiser]

Those pics are why I'd rather have the M-8 over the LAV-25 or any variant thereof. Level III armor, and a proven tank-killing gun, with a silver bullet DU round. I'd rather face a T-72 in one of those than a LAV.

[Sith]

Olefin - I know you may be restricted on what you can and can't say, but just kind of wondering if anyone came to look at the AGSs