Lyndon_B._Johnson_Space_Center: Security Forces?

[kato13]

The final issue of GDWs challenge magazine does have a T2k adventure which describes getting Chinese rocket scientists and engine parts from Japan. The adventure is called "Rockets Red Glare".

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I've worked out at the Cape here in FL, and let me tell you, when you get off the beaten tourist track and start driving around the reservation, it is fascinating. Now, back in 2002 (and previously), KSC and space exploration was a going concern for the US, so you really didn't get the whole feeling of abandoned structures etc.; sure there were some buildings that were no longer used (the "milk stool" concrete pad for the Apollo-1 rocket has "ABANDON IN PLACE" stenciled on it, for example) but by and large most stuff out there was in use. But it was weird, driving down these little access roads here and there and bam, you pass a small office building standing in the middle of what is effectively a coastal marsh, then nothing else.

Ahem.

Point being during one of these drives a co-worker at the time mentioned that one weekend (well prior to 9/11, mind) he'd decided to drive out and get some fishing in. Nothing was on the pad, and there was no scheduled transport so he could have his pick of the better spots on the surf. As is easy to do, he got turned around out in the boonies there and was tooling up one road when all of the sudden, a Blackhawk cruised over and hovered about 20' off the road in front of him, he said maybe 10-15 yards away. The door gunner (!) shook his head and wagged his finger at Ken, who nodded back and turned around and drove back the way he came.

[Olefin]

Actually if you want a possible intact launch site how about Wallops Island in VA dont have my HW with me right now but dont remember that getting hit

They launch small rockets and payloads out of there all the time - and with Kennedy down for the count it would make for possibly the only intact facilty the US has left

as for assembling and launching rockets - that would really depend on what could be used from storage facilities and how much is left of NASA and Rockwell's engineers - there are always some rocket engines and rockets in storage - and while I dont see you making geosynchronous orbit with a cobbled together rocket I could see a low orbit satellite being possible

plus if any of the boomers survived - and given a Russian one did then surely at least one or two US ones did - you could use any unused Tridents for launching satellites - and you can make a relatively unsophisticated satellite that still offers useful info - again all depends what you have access to and who you have access to

[CDAT]

I've worked out at the Cape here in FL, and let me tell you, when you get off the beaten tourist track and start driving around the reservation, it is fascinating. Now, back in 2002 (and previously), KSC and space exploration was a going concern for the US, so you really didn't get the whole feeling of abandoned structures etc.; sure there were some buildings that were no longer used (the "milk stool" concrete pad for the Apollo-1 rocket has "ABANDON IN PLACE" stenciled on it, for example) but by and large most stuff out there was in use. But it was weird, driving down these little access roads here and there and bam, you pass a small office building standing in the middle of what is effectively a coastal marsh, then nothing else.

Ahem.

Point being during one of these drives a co-worker at the time mentioned that one weekend (well prior to 9/11, mind) he'd decided to drive out and get some fishing in. Nothing was on the pad, and there was no scheduled transport so he could have his pick of the better spots on the surf. As is easy to do, he got turned around out in the boonies there and was tooling up one road when all of the sudden, a Blackhawk cruised over and hovered about 20' off the road in front of him, he said maybe 10-15 yards away. The door gunner (!) shook his head and wagged his finger at Ken, who nodded back and turned around and drove back the way he came.

Having worked at national critical sites, most of them we can not keep some one out as there is to much space to cover, we will know if they get on, and can keep them from getting out and/or keep them from secure parts. A lot of it depends on the mission statement and how in your face they want to be. The last one that I worked for most of the land they did not care, you could come and go as you pleased, as long as you were respectful of others, but if you got to there inner area that was a different story.

[RN7]

NATO Vehicle Guide (V2) lists the 3rd Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment as stationed in Kourou, French Guiana with a strength of 350 men.

I thought I read somewhere that the launch facilities were intact and the French were still in full control but I'm not sure where (I thought it might have been in the NATO Vehicle Guide but it only lists the Legion Regiment in the French order of battle and doesn't go into any detail) so it might have been speculation / fan work.

It was me who put that in a T2K article I wrote up a decade ago on Bryn Monnery's 2300AD website.

[Targan]

as for assembling and launching rockets - that would really depend on what could be used from storage facilities and how much is left of NASA and Rockwell's engineers - there are always some rocket engines and rockets in storage - and while I dont see you making geosynchronous orbit with a cobbled together rocket I could see a low orbit satellite being possible

plus if any of the boomers survived - and given a Russian one did then surely at least one or two US ones did - you could use any unused Tridents for launching satellites - and you can make a relatively unsophisticated satellite that still offers useful info - again all depends what you have access to and who you have access to

I regard these scenarios as plausible.

[stormlion1]

Speaking of Trident Missiles where are they produced Is there a depot for refurbishing them Places like these could be source of parts or even complete missiles.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I think a grand (in both scope and ideal) adventure could be created wherein a recovery team of PCs is tasked with moving an ICBM in the midwest to a more suitable launch area in the US to get a weather satellite, or comms satellite (or both) back in orbit. Some missile fields in the midwest have intact missiles, some launch facilities in the Southeast are still serviceable. Getting the two together is the task.

[Targan]

I think a grand (in both scope and ideal) adventure could be created wherein a recovery team of PCs is tasked with moving an ICBM in the midwest to a more suitable launch area in the US to get a weather satellite, or comms satellite (or both) back in orbit. Some missile fields in the midwest have intact missiles, some launch facilities in the Southeast are still serviceable. Getting the two together is the task.

Moving an ICBM would be a massive undertaking in T2K 2001, even disassembled. I think a more realistic scenario would be for the PCs to be involved in moving the payload (satellite) from its storage or fabrication site to the missile in its silo.

[Olefin]

Moving an ICBM would be a massive undertaking in T2K 2001, even disassembled. I think a more realistic scenario would be for the PCs to be involved in moving the payload (satellite) from its storage or fabrication site to the missile in its silo.

I agree with Targan on his scenario - it would be like a reverse Satellite Down but in this case either having to retrieve the satellite from someone else first (i.e. its in a facility guarded by New America forces) or having to transport it and fend off raiders and others trying to get it and take it apart for the precious metals or electronic parts in it

especially difficult if it turns out the distance involved is quite long or if the satellite is behind enemy lines in CA in a facility the Mexicans havent found and you have to get there, load it up and get it out just to start the rest of the journey to the launching point

[rcaf_777]

Here's some infor on the subject

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...ement_agencies - at the end

http://www.calea.org/calea-update-magazine/issue-104/agency-spotlight-nasa-federal-law-enforcement-training-academy

[Rainbow Six]

It was me who put that in a T2K article I wrote up a decade ago on Bryn Monnery's 2300AD website.

I knew I'd read it somewhere!

[kato13]

Talking about recovery of an ICBM.

Given an extended Cold War (ver 1.0) you could possibly see the deployment of the MGM-134 Midgetman mobile launchers. Real world the program was a post cold war budget cut casualty.

Given that the launcher itself is mobile, recovery would be a much simpler task. Heck Milgov could already have it but they need to move it south to make orbital insertion easier.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Moving an ICBM would be a massive undertaking in T2K 2001, even disassembled. I think a more realistic scenario would be for the PCs to be involved in moving the payload (satellite) from its storage or fabrication site to the missile in its silo.

Getting a satellite into proper orbit from that latitude would be at the very best problematic, however. Launches from closer to the equator are done for that reason.

[Targan]

Getting a satellite into proper orbit from that latitude would be at the very best problematic, however. Launches from closer to the equator are done for that reason.

Very good point, I hadn't thought about the orbital mechanics involved. I guess it would depend on what kind of orbit was required, and that would depend on what sort of satellite it was.

If it was the ICBM that was to be transported, the only practical option would be rail and/or water.