Dust off your books, Russia's going full-USSR rewind.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I wasn't aware until recently, but they've pretty much bullied the former USSR republics back in to line. Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus...of course Georgia and now Ukraine are about to feel the deep tissue massage of an ill-made yet entirely effective Soviet* hobnail on their necks.

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*=like all things Russian it's surplus they've kept in storage for just such an occasion. Please to be ignoring hammer-and-sickle logo on sole, Tovarisch.

[stormlion1]

The Russians have that going for them, they have tons of equipment stocked away for a rainy day. It might be covered in packing grease or rust considering who stockpiled it away, but they got it. It just takes so much extra vodka to convince the troops to clean the rust up though.
I remember reading a report years back about a warehouse full of artillery pieces from the Second World War that had been in storage in the nowheresville of Siberia. I wonder how much there really is.

[Schone23666]

Now, feel the BOOT-HEEL OF MOTHER RUSSIA! MUWAHAHAHHAHA!

But in all seriousness...well, seems Russia's heading back to the old days once again. Not that this is surprising or anything.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

The Russians have that going for them, they have tons of equipment stocked away for a rainy day. It might be covered in packing grease or rust considering who stockpiled it away, but they got it. It just takes so much extra vodka to convince the troops to clean the rust up though.
I remember reading a report years back about a warehouse full of artillery pieces from the Second World War that had been in storage in the nowheresville of Siberia. I wonder how much there really is.

I've heard likewise about aircraft going all the way back to the MiG-15. Who knows.

Of course, one might argue that by the time they're reduced to flying MiG-15s it "won't matter" but if everything else on either side is atritted, then a MiG-15 is as good as an F22 as far as having something in the air goes.

[WallShadow]

...Of course, one might argue that by the time they're reduced to flying MiG-15s it "won't matter" but if everything else on either side is atritted, then a MiG-15 is as good as an F22 as far as having something in the air goes.

If the MiG has vacuum-tube technology that's survived numerous EMP-blasts, it's probably better than the F-22.

[stormlion1]

Comes down to how there stored. Russians are good for storing some gear but I've seen pictures of an airplane storage yard and it was covered in weeds higher than the planes were and a Tank Storage Depot where the paint had come off from the weather. Maybe there salvageable I don't know. But they still have crates full of boots, uniforms, rifles, submachine guns, landmines, and other assorted weapons and stocks that will probably last forever. The question is will they need it The Russian Military isn't the sad excuse it was a few years back. Putin if nothing else put them back on there feet and gave them there pride again.

[pmulcahy11b]

We (Meaning the US) can't intervene in Ukraine. That would put us head-to-head with the Russians, and that is fraught with danger that could conceivably lead down the path to WWIII. Real-life T2K scenario, anyone

What we need to do is let our NATO allies deal with it. They do have the troops and firepower, as much as they would like everyone to believe they don't. It's time for the Europeans to stop being pussies.

[Targan]

We (Meaning the US) can't intervene in Ukraine. That would put us head-to-head with the Russians, and that is fraught with danger that could conceivably lead down the path to WWIII. Real-life T2K scenario, anyone

What we need to do is let our NATO allies deal with it. They do have the troops and firepower, as much as they would like everyone to believe they don't. It's time for the Europeans to stop being pussies.

But which NATO allies Which ones have the kind of heavy armoured formations that would be required to stop Russia right on Russia's doorstep Germany Imagine that. Talk about letting the genie out of the bottle. I guess what I'm saying is, putting militaries like Germany's head-to-head with the Russians comes with some pretty serious historical baggage too.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Overheard late last night at the passport check at an airport in Eastern Europe...

Name
-Matvey Romanovich Naumov.
Nationality
-Russian.
Occupation
-No no, we're just visiting.

[stormlion1]

I don't even think the US has tanks in Germany anymore. They were pulled out last year in April. So if it did come down to Armor Formations it will be the Germans and the French gear that would be the first to arrive and be used. Maybe followed up by what we have in the Middle East and the Brits sending gear through the Chunnel. It can handle armor on flatcars right

[raketenjagdpanzer]

This is what we've waited for,
this is it boys, this is war,
the President is on the line -

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I don't even think the US has tanks in Germany anymore. They were pulled out last year in April. So if it did come down to Armor Formations it will be the Germans and the French gear that would be the first to arrive and be used. Maybe followed up by what we have in the Middle East and the Brits sending gear through the Chunnel. It can handle armor on flatcars right

We moved our heavy armor to Poland when we relocated our commands there, I thought. Or were they all just brought home

Anyway, it's irrelevant. Russia is going to curbstomp Ukraine, the end.

[stormlion1]

The tanks that were in Germany got moved to South Carolina. If we have armor in Poland I would be surprised, mostly because I don't think we have any bases there. And yes, the Ruskies are back and the Ukraine is going get its ass handed to it.

[mikeo80]

So, is it time to raise the drawbridge, unleash the moat monsters, and put the archers on the wall

My $0.02

Mike

[Raellus]

A 99 Luftballons reference Nice, although I prefer it in its original German.