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  • Felt it was relevant to bump this thread again. Things are falling apart in Ukraine (again) and there appear to be some ominous signs coming from Moscow...

    Following the worst fighting in Ukraine in months, the Russian legislature on Wednesday warned its members of the potential need for an emergency session in the near future. At the same time, the Kremlin warned that it would retaliate if European leaders later this summer vote to increase sanctions on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine.
    "The use of force is always an answer to problems. Whether or not it's a satisfactory answer depends on a number of things, not least the personality of the person making the determination. Force isn't an attractive answer, though. I would not be true to myself or to the people I served with in 1970 if I did not make that realization clear."
    — David Drake

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    • How about the 2 Russian Spetsnaz that The Ukraine captured and had US news media interviewing yesterday

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      • Originally posted by swaghauler View Post
        How about the 2 Russian Spetsnaz that The Ukraine captured and had US news media interviewing yesterday

        Oh no, they weren't Spetsnaz, they were just two local tourists who happened to be there on holiday.
        "The use of force is always an answer to problems. Whether or not it's a satisfactory answer depends on a number of things, not least the personality of the person making the determination. Force isn't an attractive answer, though. I would not be true to myself or to the people I served with in 1970 if I did not make that realization clear."
        — David Drake

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        • I doubt Putin is overly worried. They can impose the sanctions they want, but when winter hits and Europe needs its natural gas those sanctions will be quietly abandoned. Europe cares about Ukraine only so far.

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          • It seems history does indeed go in circles. The Pentagon is gearing up to have equipment sent back to Europe, including AFV's and MBT's, supposedly. Sounds like a relatively small allotment so far, but who knows.

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            Note: The Yahoo user comments always crack me up, I wonder what the average age of a lot of these posters are
            "The use of force is always an answer to problems. Whether or not it's a satisfactory answer depends on a number of things, not least the personality of the person making the determination. Force isn't an attractive answer, though. I would not be true to myself or to the people I served with in 1970 if I did not make that realization clear."
            — David Drake

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            • We have sent back equipment already. Equipment that TPTB made a big deal over removing a year ago. Pathetic. We should have sold it to the Europeans instead and we wouldn't be spending money to send it back.
              Also aren't there container ships full of gear prepositioned for things like this I know we used to have them in the Gulf.

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              • It's now official, U.S. heavy weapons along with APC's and MBT's are being pre-positioned in six Central and Eastern European countries.

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                As Stormlion said, I love how they made this big deal about "Look, we've pulled out the last of the heavy weapons from Germany, isn't that lovely" a few years ago, and now, "Well, gotta send the tanks back to Europe...."

                "The use of force is always an answer to problems. Whether or not it's a satisfactory answer depends on a number of things, not least the personality of the person making the determination. Force isn't an attractive answer, though. I would not be true to myself or to the people I served with in 1970 if I did not make that realization clear."
                — David Drake

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                • Reforger 2016 ftw!

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                  • Originally posted by Damocles View Post
                    Reforger 2016 ftw!
                    It'd have to be named something differently, since the equipment's going to be stationed in countries like the Baltic States and Poland. Not to mention, it seems Germany is a bit more reluctant than some of the other NATO countries to get involved in this current debacle.

                    And speaking of the Baltic States, it appears the Russians are now "reviewing the questionable legality of their declared independence from the Soviet Union."

                    "The use of force is always an answer to problems. Whether or not it's a satisfactory answer depends on a number of things, not least the personality of the person making the determination. Force isn't an attractive answer, though. I would not be true to myself or to the people I served with in 1970 if I did not make that realization clear."
                    — David Drake

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                    • Originally posted by Schone23666 View Post
                      It'd have to be named something differently, since the equipment's going to be stationed in countries like the Baltic States and Poland. Not to mention, it seems Germany is a bit more reluctant than some of the other NATO countries to get involved in this current debacle.

                      And speaking of the Baltic States, it appears the Russians are now "reviewing the questionable legality of their declared independence from the Soviet Union."

                      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia...200136322.html
                      And this also made for some interesting reading, particularly Russia's response to the possibility that Sweden might think about joining NATO...

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                      • Originally posted by StainlessSteelCynic View Post
                        And this also made for some interesting reading, particularly Russia's response to the possibility that Sweden might think about joining NATO...
                        http://www.businessinsider.com.au/sw...warning-2015-6
                        Not surprising, though interesting. There has been a recent change in Sweden's thinking in regards to it's neighbor to the east....which is unsettling considering that Sweden was comfortable with a neutral position during the Cold War.

                        Also, this rather sobering report by the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff.

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                        "The use of force is always an answer to problems. Whether or not it's a satisfactory answer depends on a number of things, not least the personality of the person making the determination. Force isn't an attractive answer, though. I would not be true to myself or to the people I served with in 1970 if I did not make that realization clear."
                        — David Drake

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                        • I'll just leave this here:

                          Operation Iranian Freedom

                          - C.
                          Clayton A. Oliver • Occasional RPG Freelancer Since 1996

                          Author of The Pacific Northwest, coauthor of Tara Romaneasca, creator of several other free Twilight: 2000 and Twilight: 2013 resources, and curator of an intermittent gaming blog.

                          It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you're in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you're dealing with someone who can't.
                          - Josh Olson

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                          • Originally posted by stormlion1 View Post
                            We have sent back equipment already. Equipment that TPTB made a big deal over removing a year ago. Pathetic. We should have sold it to the Europeans instead and we wouldn't be spending money to send it back.
                            Also aren't there container ships full of gear prepositioned for things like this I know we used to have them in the Gulf.
                            They were in the game, POMCUS was to allow rapid deployment of U.S. stateside armored units. Fly the crews over and roll out in theory. I think the ships expand that capacity to a wider area of operations.

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                            • Polish Paramilitaries

                              Apparently, due in large part to the troubles in Ukraine, the Poles are embracing paramilitary groups. Here's a 20-minute piece from Vice News on the phenomenon.

                              Author of Twilight 2000 adventure modules, Rook's Gambit and The Poisoned Chalice, the campaign sourcebook, Korean Peninsula, the gear-book, Baltic Boats, and the co-author of Tara Romaneasca, a campaign sourcebook for Romania, all available for purchase on DriveThruRPG:

                              https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...--Rooks-Gambit
                              https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...ula-Sourcebook
                              https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...nia-Sourcebook
                              https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...liate_id=61048
                              https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/...-waters-module

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                              • Gray Area

                                The Daily Beast reports that a series of classified war gaming exercises ran by the Defense Department have clearly shown that the U.S. is ill-prepared for a sustained military engagement with Russia. Such a situation is not that hard to believe as our forces have been mired in counter-terror and counter-insurgency fighting for well over a decade and procurement and modernization of our military has been handled in a almost comically bad way over the same period of time.


                                $600b a year in defense spending and we're still not sure we can beat the Russians
                                Author of Twilight 2000 adventure modules, Rook's Gambit and The Poisoned Chalice, the campaign sourcebook, Korean Peninsula, the gear-book, Baltic Boats, and the co-author of Tara Romaneasca, a campaign sourcebook for Romania, all available for purchase on DriveThruRPG:

                                https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...--Rooks-Gambit
                                https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...ula-Sourcebook
                                https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...nia-Sourcebook
                                https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...liate_id=61048
                                https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/...-waters-module

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