Semi-OT: Red Dawn fan fic

[Matt Wiser]

Thanks! Always glad to get a new reader. Any comments or questions

[cawest]

Thanks! Always glad to get a new reader. Any comments or questions

not right now. I want to catch up before I ask anything. keep up the great work

[RN7]

Matt what amazes me is how the Soviets managed to get any convoys across the Atlantic at all. US and British nuclear attack submarine would have made mince met out of any Soviet surface warships that penetrated south of the GIUK Gap in any scenario yet alone a convoy of commercial cargo ships.

[cawest]

just finished or caught up. looking forward to more.

I have a thought about the mainstays. these would have been an issue for a few years. Have you checked out the F111B there should be three, one is only for parts but that would leave two for testing. How about a pump fake with a pair of f14s then send in a low flying B. this would work only for a few but if they only have 5 that would be enough from them to bring out the TU-126 (12 built).

they might have a few home on jam aim-54 (15inch wide of a nose cone gives you a lot of room to test with)

some other high payoff targets (HPT) would be IL20M, M55, or other sigint or jammer craft.

the intel shop would have a kill board. it would have all of the HPT taken out listed by type confirmed and claimed. like 14 Su-25 in red and 34 Su25's in white for ground kills. pink would be claimed but not confirmed. if you are on a joint services base, this kill board might be in a more public place...like the Oclub. that way units could "tell" who was the test. it is also a good way to start a few fights. you also might want to set up a helo hunt. you load up all the aim9s then troll about 10 miles behind your lines. then you pop any enemy helos in your "kill box"

[Matt Wiser]

RN7: Yes, they would, but TTL the USN, RN, RAN, RNZN, and RCN (they shed their Trudeau-era Maritime Command name pretty fast), have three oceans' worth to cover, and only one ocean of fleet, even with everyone pulling their share of the load, and the JMSDF operating in a "Short of War" posture in the Pacific helping out.

Once Iceland is liberated (June '87), a Marine raid on Kola (July '87) that disrupts Soviet shipping, the tide begins to turn at sea, but it's not until the late '88-early '89 time frame that the pinch really begins to hurt the Soviet-bloc forces in Texas. Once that happens, it's a matter of time, and by the time of the Brownsville story (Late Sep-early Oct '89), the Soviets in Texas and Mexico are in deep. The Northern Theater isn't in any better shape: the shipping lanes from Soviet Far East ports to Alaska are frequently attacked by USN subs and carrier aircraft, and the Soviets are lucky that only half of what's shipped gets through. Still, by the end of the war (14 Oct 89), that 60-division force in Alaska and Canada has only about 15-20 divisions that are really combat effective-that is, capable of both offensive and defensive combat operations; the rest are only capable of defensive operations due to the shortages of fuel, ammo, and spares.

[cawest]

maybe a way to fix the short legs of the F-20 is conformal fuel tank like the F-16d block 50/52. the BAC Strikemaster had them on the wings.. I would not go with that or the belly mounts on the spitfire. it would replace the center mounted drop tank or just add range with out losing a hard point. Distended internal tanks could also be a possibility.

This would let the F-20 be a point or HVT defender. it could be a airbase defender, harbor, tanker, or Rivet Joint escort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_fuel_tank

I was also thinking about olds having his maintenance team wired his craft with aim9s before they were supposed to. now this unit has to do with out WW or IH and they needed them. what if they lost one Aim 7 (510pounds) or 2 AIM 9 (188pounds) for a Shrike (390pounds) that would give them some teeth. When could they do this mod the F-4 needs a 300/400hr check that will take some time. or when a bird is battle damaged and they are waiting for parts.

would love to read about a US sub that might be hunting sovit ships and sitting off of Havana harbor. the POWs might be able to see the ship fireball.

[RN7]

RN7: Yes, they would, but TTL the USN, RN, RAN, RNZN, and RCN (they shed their Trudeau-era Maritime Command name pretty fast), have three oceans' worth to cover, and only one ocean of fleet, even with everyone pulling their share of the load, and the JMSDF operating in a "Short of War" posture in the Pacific helping out.

Once Iceland is liberated (June '87), a Marine raid on Kola (July '87) that disrupts Soviet shipping, the tide begins to turn at sea, but it's not until the late '88-early '89 time frame that the pinch really begins to hurt the Soviet-bloc forces in Texas. Once that happens, it's a matter of time, and by the time of the Brownsville story (Late Sep-early Oct '89), the Soviets in Texas and Mexico are in deep. The Northern Theater isn't in any better shape: the shipping lanes from Soviet Far East ports to Alaska are frequently attacked by USN subs and carrier aircraft, and the Soviets are lucky that only half of what's shipped gets through. Still, by the end of the war (14 Oct 89), that 60-division force in Alaska and Canada has only about 15-20 divisions that are really combat effective-that is, capable of both offensive and defensive combat operations; the rest are only capable of defensive operations due to the shortages of fuel, ammo, and spares.

Iceland may have fallen to the Soviets but the waters around it and across the North Atlantic are going to be heavily dominated by US/UK submarines. They are the two best submarines fleets in the world and are better trained than the Soviets, and their latest boats are also better than anything what the Soviet have. About this time the US Navy had about 90 tactical submarines excluding boomers, and all of them are nuclear. The UK also had 28 tactical submarines with two thirds of them nuclear. The North Atlantic is going to be the dominant theatre for naval operations in your scenario and half of that submarines fleet is going to be in the Atlantic. That's about 60 submarines and probably the best ones that both the US and Britain have and also throw in the Canadians. Any Soviet convoy heading across to North America would have to have been guarded by major Soviet surface forces and submarines, and even then the casualty rates would be catastrophic.

[cawest]

Iceland may have fallen to the Soviets but the waters around it and across the North Atlantic are going to be heavily dominated by US/UK submarines. They are the two best submarines fleets in the world and are better trained than the Soviets, and their latest boats are also better than anything what the Soviet have. About this time the US Navy had about 90 tactical submarines excluding boomers, and all of them are nuclear. The UK also had 28 tactical submarines with two thirds of them nuclear. The North Atlantic is going to be the dominant theatre for naval operations in your scenario and half of that submarines fleet is going to be in the Atlantic. That's about 60 submarines and probably the best ones that both the US and Britain have and also throw in the Canadians. Any Soviet convoy heading across to North America would have to have been guarded by major Soviet surface forces and submarines, and even then the casualty rates would be catastrophic.

do not forget about IO, Med, and Vietnam you will have to keep and eye on and defending Philippines and down under. that will cut the numbers on patrol. only about 1/3 are on active patrol. you will have 1/3 going on station or coming off and the last 1/3 is under repair or servicing.

[Olefin]

FYI - and I may have missed it - who is the President during the war They nuked Washington DC at the start - who got out and who didnt Did Reagan and Bush make it out It was never mentioned in the movie at all as to who was in charge.

[Matt Wiser]

George H.W. Bush is POTUS during the war. Reagan didn't make it out of D.C., and Bush was at his summer home in Maine when the invasion began. He was helicoptered to Boston by the Coast Guard, where a Federal Judge swore him in.

[cawest]

is something like this going to be painted on your birds this is an on an su-35 in Turkey I wish I had an the image of B52A 0003. she had an impressive score board on her side.

https://www.facebook.com/defensionemwarbible/photos/rpp.205684149942243/677474139429906/type=3&theater

[Matt Wiser]

Kills are marked with red stars on the spitter. This is Guru's aircraft, 512.

Something like this:

[Panther Al]

Sooo...

Been scarce these days (Now days spending a lot of my online time on the War Thunder Forums where I am one of the Sr. Forum Mods), but been following this thread since it started. Have to admit, I saw that pic, and went, "Hrm... since we have the F4C now, a Red Dawn themed skin"

[Matt Wiser]

Wouldn't mind seeing that myself. If you think 512 maneuvers good, try doing it with a pair of wing tanks a centerline Pave Tack pod, two AIM-7Fs in the rear wells, an ALQ-119 ECM pod in the left front well, and two GBU-10s on the inner wing pylons. Handles like a brick...They didn't call the Pave Tack pod "Pave Drag" for nothing.

[Olefin]

Off topic Matt but sent you the information that I got from Jason that you had submitted for the 2nd fanzine a long time ago - can I use it as is (its in the form of notes so I figure you were still polishing it up) or do you want to go thru it and put it together yourself first

Thanks