Domestic food specifics.....

[ArmySGT.]

http://reprorations.com/ unfortunately suspending operations for a few months.

http://www.dererstezug.com/German_Rations_at_the_Front.htm

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/searchq=cache:I1WNn6Ox--YJ:https://www.csun.edu/science/ref/spreadsheets/xls/nutrition.xls+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[swaghauler]

I remember Marlboros (Red, boxed) and Levi's 501 Blue Jeans being the currency of choice during the Reforger exercises in Germany. I wonder if those "Bratwagons" would show up on the firing point during a real battle. I wouldn't put it past those German food vendors.

I've already posted how little bottles of booze, candy bars, disposable Bic lighters, and a cheap Casio watch allowed me and my charges to pass through a couple of roadbocks in Nigeria. I still get a chill down my spine thinking about it.

[.45cultist]

A minor update, while looking for gross weight of canned items, there are a number of food items in plastic retort style packages. The nukable stuff could be heated by dunking the sealed item in boiling water, some long tongs are all that's needed.

[aspqrz]

Some time ago I published a book on sidewise time/dimension travel based on the backstory of Road to Armageddon ... and did a fair bit of research on Food-Energy-Raw Materials-Transport which may be of interest/use.

I have just run up a PDF of the relevant chapter which you can download from ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/51m611x40b...Sample.pdfdl=0

... if you're really interested, the whole book, 'Displaced' is available on RPGNow (see 'Phalanx Games Design').

Phil

[WallShadow]

Just remember: If you want to avoid scurvy, one Kool-Aid packet makes 1/2 gallon of drink, which has 80% of the Adult Minimum Daily Requirement for Vitamin C. OF course, you'd have to drink about 2 1/2 quarts of the stuff to get the MDR, and that's a lot of Kool-Aid! But I guess it's better than having your teeth fall out and persistently non-healing sores.

[rcaf_777]

How much dose Tang weight or a Twinkie

[kato13]

One surprising fact is that potatoes provide quite a bit of vitamin C.

Given people often have potatoes in their home, it is pretty easy to plant them (unlike hybrid grains) and they can grow in poor soil, I suspect they would be very common in the post war T2k diet.

[Olefin]

keep in mind there are all kinds of things you can eat (just watch Man Vs. Wild or Survivorman to see what I mean) that people dont think of normally - I am betting that a lot of starving people would walk right by things that they dont know are edible

for instance cattails are very very common here in the US - and you get more edible starch from them then you do potatoes - and have eaten them myself

another is burdocks - we used to eat them all the time - to most its a weed but in western NY you can find lots of people eating them

and dandelions make one very good salad

[unkated]

How much dose Tang weight or a Twinkie

Twinkies (original) weigh 42.5 gm apiece. Call a package of 2, with wrapping
95 gm, or .1 kg to round up.

Tang packaging says 20 oz container makes 24 servings; serving weight ~24 gm of Tang each. 20 oz container (by math) hold .576 kg of tang, plus something fro the packaging. Say .7 kg.


Uncle Ted

[swaghauler]

Twinkies (original) weigh 42.5 gm apiece. Call a package of 2, with wrapping
95 gm, or .1 kg to round up.

Tang packaging says 20 oz container makes 24 servings; serving weight ~24 gm of Tang each. 20 oz container (by math) hold .576 kg of tang, plus something fro the packaging. Say .7 kg.


Uncle Ted

0.1 kg for a treat with the shelf life of an MRE...sounds good to me. Where are you... You spongy little delicious B******ds!!!

[Olefin]

You wonder with the need to continue to produce ethanol will MilGov and CivGov take the time to educated people to switch over to other food sources (i.e. stuff like burdocks, cattails, dandelions, etc..) to preserve that production - i.e. no you cant touch that corn - but look at all the stuff that is growing wild that you can eat

the question is how many people have the knowledge for what to look for and can teach the survivors

[rcaf_777]

I wondering if you see victory gardens like in WWII, I mean would there be rationing before the Nuclear exchange

[.45cultist]

I wondering if you see victory gardens like in WWII, I mean would there be rationing before the Nuclear exchange

Independence, Missouri still has victory garden laws that include waivers for poultry and other small animals. Also urban areas encourage community gardens and farmers markets. Victory gardens increase food and make people feel like they are doing something useful. Rationing depends on which system, T2K V1,2 yes, conventional war for years. T2013, not really enough time before the bombs, so rationing would result from the disruptions caused by the bombs, so perhaps a little more stuff out there. Victory gardens with poultry, rabbits and a few goats might be quite a resource.

[unkated]

Treasure Foods

0.1 kg for a treat with the shelf life of an MRE...sounds good to me. Where are you... You spongy little delicious B******ds!!!

Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth and RPGs were new, I ran DnD. The wider story of my world included visits by extra terrestrial traders.

In the larger hoards of the world (waiting to be discovered) were

• Twinkies mk III (shelf-life measured in centuries, and just as tasty as today)
• Fresh Frozen SaraLee Banana Cake
• Sta-fresh sealed packages of Lox (smoked salmon)

Occasionally, for a state function (like a wedding between dynasties or a peace treaty ending a war), a package would be broached or presented.

Personally, I could manage a forced march better with the promise of a Twinkie on the other end. The new version (post 2011) is just not as good. And yes, I totally identified with that aspect of Tallahassee in Zombieland.

Uncle Ted

[unkated]

I wondering if you see victory gardens like in WWII, I mean would there be rationing before the Nuclear exchange

I think you would see it ramping up; by spring 1998, I could see the prices of food running higher and higher (like beef this year), and more people putting in a garden just to save some money. I could also see official encouragement by the governments of the belligerent nations to encourage this, as

1. The Governments are buying food for their soldiers (and I can see the US and Canada supplying a China and Germany disrupted by war).
2. Governments are using more of their domestic transport resources to support the war effort (in the US, fewer trains available to ship lettuce from the Imperial Valley in California to east coast food markets).

Uncle Ted