T2K Modelling and Skirmish Gaming

[Anna Elizabeth]

And so it begins, I've finished the first 1/35th conversion for my plan of T2K Skirmish Gaming. I know it sounds crazy, but 1/35 is a good compromise between availability, cost, and visual appeal for Cold War and modern wargaming. I recently saw photos a friend shared of a 1/35 convention game set in "Saving Private Ryan" and knew that I'd have to do what I have been wanting to do.

I've got a zillion ideas, a decent collection of kits and figures, and I'd welcome any input or inspiration from Y'all.

More on my Blog:http://tankgurls.blogspot.com/2015/1...2000-gurl.html

[rcaf_777]

nice

[Jason Weiser]

Oh Anna NOOOOO!

(The following are the silly prejudices of a long time miniature wargamer who has done moderns since he was knee high to a VDV trooper)...

I do wish you had spoken to me first...

20mm is the one true scale

(A strong voice cries out, "No it is not! 28s are the new wave and the voice of the gaming proletariat, we shall purge the bourgeois 54mm from..(BLAM!))

(Jason puts away a pistol, having shot the offending voice...)

Now that we have solved that problem and I can continue...ahem...

(Another, meeker voice, sounding like a dead ringer for Droopy Dog, states "Um, excuse me sir, but 15mm is more popular than 20mm, it's a fact!" (BLAM, BLAM!))

(Jason puts aside a smoking double barrel shotgun)

Really, I could so do without these interruptions....

Anyhow, yes, 20mm is a grand, wonderful scale, and it is cheaper if you work with the plastics. (Glares in direction of the peanut gallery)...anyone else got anything to say to that

"What about 6mm"

6mm is for bedwetting pansies! (Jason pulls pin on M67, cries "frag out" and tosses the orb of hate in the general direction of the idiot who spoke up, then cowers behind a wall, waiting for the inevitable bang..the bang occurs, Jason looks up over the cover, shakes his head with satisfaction as to the result, then gets himself up and dusts himself off)

Now, where was I...ah yes, 20mm good, all other scales bad.

Now, go to this website, tell Matt I sent you..quickly, before any of the other buffoons show up!

http://www.elhiemfigures.com/

[Anna Elizabeth]

XD Jason, thank you.

I do have a couple of Elheim Ultra-modern packs. USMC and US Army patrol. I have one heck of a time painting camo in that scale, though.

I'm considering a force of Canadians in that scale, plus plastic Leopards and M113s.

But for T2K, I can get males, females, NATO, Russians, and virtually any vehicle in 1/35th.

I usually game in 28mm, and Empress make really nice moderns, but a M1A2 from Empress costs as much as a high-end 1/35th Dragon kit, and more than many Trumpeter and Hobby Boss kits.

[Jason Weiser]

Hmm,
I think then it is a case of what flavor of T2k are you inspired by Version 1, 2, 2.2 or 2013

I am a version 1 kind of guy, my stuff is strictly where the 80s never died and the 90s got all the toys that the 80s predicted NATO would have. US soldiers still wear PASGT, and M81 Woodland BDUs, rifles are a mix of M16A2 and A1, but you'll see steel pots and other gear as things go to hell. The Brits have DPM and SA-80, with L1A1 being issued as things go to hell (and the traffic wardens getting more than their fair share) You might even see some fellas wearing the old Mk 3 helmets. As for the Germans, they don't have enough Flecktarn or G11s to go around!

All the NATO vehicles are three tone, and the Soviet stuff is either Green (the majority) or the three tone tan/black/brown. All of the Ivans and most of his Warpac buddies are carrying AK-74, with AK-47 being a relic, and AKM being a slightly younger relic. RPG-7 is still common, but the disposable RPGs are beginning to supplant it.

Even if you're doing 2013, I would make a lot of the gear older than dirt. LBE that dates back to the disco era, rifles that have 1968 production dates...you get the idea....

[Anna Elizabeth]

I'm into version 1 myself. I tried to do the trousers on this woman like leftovers from Vietnam-era, and most of my figures are Desert Storm and earlier. I bought several Trumpeter M16A1 sets, and nothing more "advanced" than the Car-15. A couple of sets of ALICE-stowage,too.

For color schemes, I'm thinking much like the U.S. Army Vehicle Guide (504), with the improvised color schemes and such.

[Jason Weiser]

A lot of those schemes are based on the old MERDC schemes which were current ca1984. Though, they were not enforced Army wide at all (A lot of M1s and M2s were Forest Green for most of their career pre-3 tone NATO).

https://sites.google.com/site/merdccamo/home/merdcpic

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I was working on a 1/72 scale papercraft LAV-75 and another for an RDF/LT but I'll be damned if I can find the files. Oh well :P

[Anna Elizabeth]

@Jason - Cool, thank you! I'll keep the link handy.

@Rakete - Those sound cool. I love the RDF/LT, there is a 80s GI Joe toy that's almost a RDF. I'd love to see a 1/35 kit of either.

[swaghauler]

Hmm,
I think then it is a case of what flavor of T2k are you inspired by Version 1, 2, 2.2 or 2013

I am a version 1 kind of guy, my stuff is strictly where the 80s never died and the 90s got all the toys that the 80s predicted NATO would have. US soldiers still wear PASGT, and M81 Woodland BDUs, rifles are a mix of M16A2 and A1, but you'll see steel pots and other gear as things go to hell. The Brits have DPM and SA-80, with L1A1 being issued as things go to hell (and the traffic wardens getting more than their fair share) You might even see some fellas wearing the old Mk 3 helmets. As for the Germans, they don't have enough Flecktarn or G11s to go around!

All the NATO vehicles are three tone, and the Soviet stuff is either Green (the majority) or the three tone tan/black/brown. All of the Ivans and most of his Warpac buddies are carrying AK-74, with AK-47 being a relic, and AKM being a slightly younger relic. RPG-7 is still common, but the disposable RPGs are beginning to supplant it.

Even if you're doing 2013, I would make a lot of the gear older than dirt. LBE that dates back to the disco era, rifles that have 1968 production dates...you get the idea....

I'm curious as to how you reconcile having M16A1's and M16A2's together. How does your supply system handle having large volumes of two different ammo types in the same caliber; or do you just use M193 Ball and give the M16A2's reduced range/accuracy The M16A1 CANNOT use the SS109/M855 Ball round at all. The round's case neck is like 1/1000 of an inch too long. The very edge of the case "fire forms" into the leade (the part of the barrel where the bullet nose seats to the rifling) of the barrel throat, and causes MAJOR reliability issues in the M16A1 (like drive the expended M855 case out of the breech with a dowel rod issues). This is the reason the M16A1 was completely removed from Army service in 1992.

[Anna Elizabeth]

Well, for me - this is 2000, and the soldiers are mainly happy to have any weapon. If you notice, this girl has a M231 Port version propped up on the water can. The Dragon Models M16 set has 2 per box. It also has a couple of weapons that will make good M16EZs.

[Jason Weiser]

I 'm curious as to how you reconcile having M16A1's and M16A2's together. How does your supply system handle having large volumes of two different ammo types in the same caliber; or do you just use M193 Ball and give the M16A2's reduced range/accuracy The M16A1 CANNOT use the SS109/M855 Ball round at all. The round's case neck is like 1/1000 of an inch too long. The very edge of the case "fire forms" into the leade (the part of the barrel where the bullet nose seats to the rifling) of the barrel throat, and causes MAJOR reliability issues in the M16A1 (like drive the expended M855 case out of the breech with a dowel rod issues). This is the reason the M16A1 was completely removed from Army service in 1992.

I figure there's mountains of M193 left, and a lot of the 855 has been shot off. Yes, wartime production, but the supply chain has gone to snot, so in many cases troops feel lucky to have ammo.

[ArmySGT.]

http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/dark-futures

[Anna Elizabeth]

I still haven't seen one of those sets in person. I bought WF's British Firing Line from the Anglo-Zulu War and those minis are kind of lack-luster. The other problem in 1/56th/28mm is tanks and such are expensive and not all that nice.

[.45cultist]

I'm curious as to how you reconcile having M16A1's and M16A2's together. How does your supply system handle having large volumes of two different ammo types in the same caliber; or do you just use M193 Ball and give the M16A2's reduced range/accuracy The M16A1 CANNOT use the SS109/M855 Ball round at all. The round's case neck is like 1/1000 of an inch too long. The very edge of the case "fire forms" into the leade (the part of the barrel where the bullet nose seats to the rifling) of the barrel throat, and causes MAJOR reliability issues in the M16A1 (like drive the expended M855 case out of the breech with a dowel rod issues). This is the reason the M16A1 was completely removed from Army service in 1992.

Th USAF and foreign aid meant Lake City cranked out M193 even to this day.
M193 and M80 ball are what employees can buy cheap for personal use once a year.