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  • #16
    I think people somehow think that areas that weren't hit with nukes somehow were fine and dandy and came out of the war intact - thus we had better have more nuke targets in the US or somehow it is stronger than it should be

    all you have to do is look at Last Submarine to see how far that is from the truth - Rhode Island, Boston, New London - no nukes hit anywhere near them - and yet all three areas are devastated by the war

    and that module offers a real insight into what the Soviets didn't hit in the war - if the Soviets were really looking to hit shipyards then why is New London intact New London is the primary sub base for the US on the East Coast and yet its completely intact until the riots destroy it.

    An oversight Hardly - having it intact supports the canon if the Soviets are going after refineries and command centers and the like.

    another case is PA - two modules back up that the only nuke targets in PA were the ones in HW - that no other nukes hit the state - but if the Russians are hitting vital military targets then why no nukes on York PA to take out M88, M109, M8 and Bradley production let alone the Caterpillar and Harley plants there Or on Allentown PA to take out the Mack Trucks facilities Three Mile Island Heck not even the Army War College at Carlisle or the Naval Supply Depot in Mechanicsburg. Heck they didnt even hit the state capital - in fact just about all the state capitals are intact and if you are really trying to disrupt a nation leaving Harrisburg, Albany, Richmond etc.. standing doesn't make sense - especially as those states are vital to the US war effort - heck Florida got NUKED if you read Urban Guerrilla yet they didn't hit Tallahassee after basically destroying huge areas of the state

    If all those places weren't hit then you have to assume that the strikes in the US are most likely limited to what you see in HW - and that they were more than enough, combined with the disruptions of electricity and fuel, the riots, the wide spread panic, etc.. to damage the US so badly that by mid 1998 the Mexican Army could legitimately capture large areas of the Southwest.
    Last edited by Olefin; 08-18-2015, 08:37 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Olefin View Post
      I think people somehow think that areas that weren't hit with nukes somehow were fine and dandy and came out of the war intact - thus we had better have more nuke targets in the US or somehow it is stronger than it should be
      Another quote from howling wilderness which IMO supports the thought that unrest rather than more nukes led to a great amount of destruction.

      "The exclusion of a city from this list (the strike list mentioned above) does not mean that it is intact. Civil unrest, hostile military action and other factors have caused severe damage in regions otherwise untouched by the war."

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      • #18
        Originally posted by kato13 View Post
        Another quote from howling wilderness which IMO supports the thought that unrest rather than more nukes led to a great amount of destruction.

        "The exclusion of a city from this list (the strike list mentioned above) does not mean that it is intact. Civil unrest, hostile military action and other factors have caused severe damage in regions otherwise untouched by the war."
        I would think especially after most of the remaining military units either got pulled to the Pacific Northwest to stop the drive on Seattle or down to stop the Mexicans. With them gone and electricity generation almost completely stopped and no fuel - things must have gotten very down and very dirty very quickly in any large urban area.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by kato13 View Post
          The BYB (2.2) and Howling Wilderness actually do list sub 500kt strikes as part of the list. They list five of them.
          These are the exceptions to the rule. It even states "With certain exceptions".
          If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

          Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

          Mors ante pudorem

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