if you could have any vehicle

[unkated]

PzJgd-38 Hetzer

I have also always liked the Hetzer. Something... compactly competent about it.

Hetzers were built Post WW2 by Czechoslovakia and sold to Austria as the G-13, which fielded them to the early 1970s. Some could be unearthed in a warehouse and revived in 1996/7 as reserves for the Austrian Army...

Uncle Ted

[LT. Ox]

I wonder

I have also always liked the Hetzer. Something... compactly competent about it.

Hetzers were built Post WW2 by Czechoslovakia and sold to Austria as the G-13, which fielded them to the early 1970s. Some could be unearthed in a warehouse and revived in 1996/7 as reserves for the Austrian Army...

Uncle Ted

What weapons system would that have Same as developed or would I look else where for change info

[Legbreaker]

The Swiss also bought 158 of them which served into the 1970's, renaming them as the G-13 (any designated G-13 definitely served with the Swiss).
The Soviets regunned them with their 76.2mm but otherwise kept them basically the same.
The Czechs converted some of theirs by replacing the gun with a flame thrower, although Hitler had ordered this conversion in November 1944 so it's unknown if the Czechs did it themselves, or just picked up a few which had already been done.
From what I can see though, it doesn't look like too many other alterations were made to the armament.
There is no indication I can find of Austria having any after the war (I suspect unkated confused them with Switzerland).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetzer
http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Hetzers_G13.pdf

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Hey Leg, don't forget the British A39 Tortoise heavy assault tank - it only weighed 79ton... only!


I too am a fan for the Hetzer, like unkated mentioned, there seems to be something about it. Competent is a good word, it's no too fussy in its design, uncluttered and still compact. Unsurprisingly it was a very good ambush weapon even though the troops didn't particularly like it - too cramped.

Hey unkated, did you mean Switzerland instead of Austria
LT. Ox, the G13 was armed with a 75mm KwK 40 main gun, the same gun as mounted on the Panzer IV late model G and H & J models as well as on the StuG III F & G models and the StuG IV. AKA the 7.5cm KwK 40. The Swiss also removed the remote MG installation from the roof and placed the commander opposite to the German Hetzer (i.e. Swiss placed commander on the left, gunner & loader on the right). The Swiss also had a field telephone installed on the rear for external comms.
They got 158 G13 assault guns as well as some recovery vehicle models.
They also modernized some of the assault guns to G13D standard which included replacing the petrol engine with a diesel model.

However the interesting item is that the Czechoslovaks fielded a large number under the designation ST-I. They were either repaired or new build Hetzers and carried the original 7.5cm KwK39 main gun or were unarmed and used as training vehicles (called the ST-III). Some of the ST-IIIs had a superstructure built on while others retained the basic lines of the Hetzer. They built/rebuilt 50 to the ST-III spec for a total of 299 vehicles (249 ST-I & 50 ST-III). The Czechoslovaks used them till the mid 1950s and not much is known about them afterwards although they are believed to have been scrapped.
For game purposes however, there's no reason why they couldn't have kept them in their war reserve.

Apparently Israel was interested in buying 60 or 70 ST-I vehicles but they were too pricey, about twice the price of a Sherman tank, so they never bothered and got Shermans instead.

Crappy photo but the only one I could find...
ST-III


Although this drawing makes it clearer. ST-III


What's intriguing though, is that apparently the Czechoslovaks exported eleven ST-I vehicles & spares to Guinea, West Africa between 1959 & 1961.

The other interesting thing about the Hetzer, it formed the basis for for the WW2 Germans' first purpose made, fully tracked, APC, the Vollkettenaufklarer 38(t) "K$tzchen" AKA full-tracked reconnaissance vehicle 38(t) "Kitten". It would carry up to 8 troops and act in a similar role as the White Scout Car (or in modern terms, an M3 Bradley CFV without the 25mm and TOW).

K$tzchen wooden mock-up showing general height.

One of the working prototypes


As it probably would have looked in service

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Well it looks like I dawdled too long getting my reply posted!
Beaten to the punch by Legbreaker - curse you!

[Legbreaker]

I may have beaten you to the punch, but yours has more info - you missed the flame throwers though!

[unkated]

Hetzer

The Swiss also bought 158 of them which served into the 1970's, renaming them as the G-13 (any designated G-13 definitely served with the Swiss).
The Soviets regunned them with their 76.2mm but otherwise kept them basically the same.

Swiss (yes, I misremembered it; not Austrian; I got enthused by the Austrian 2001 Sourcebook posted in this forum) G-13s were armed with StuK 40, which is the German 7.5cm KwK40 Tank gun in a slightly different mount (same gun as that Panther discovered earlier this year).

As a T2K vehicle, it would be something like this: (hmmm should be attached)

[ArmySGT.]

Swiss (yes, I misremembered it; not Austrian; I got enthused by the Austrian 2001 Sourcebook posted in this forum) G-13s were armed with StuK 40, which is the German 7.5cm KwK40 Tank gun in a slightly different mount (same gun as that Panther discovered earlier this year).

As a T2K vehicle, it would be something like this: (hmmm should be attached)

That machinegun can be fired from under cover via a periscope and swivels 360 degrees. A smart commander doesn't let the gun go empty and clips a fresh belt onto the first before it runs out. This way the commander does not expose himself to enemy fire.

[ArmySGT.]

Anyone doing a WW2 campaign with T2k rulesets

Twilight1939 or Twilight1941

[unkated]

The other interesting thing about the Hetzer, it formed the basis for for the WW2 Germans' first purpose made, fully tracked, APC, the Vollkettenaufklarer 38(t) "K$tzchen" AKA full-tracked reconnaissance vehicle 38(t) "Kitten". It would carry up to 8 troops and act in a similar role as the White Scout Car (or in modern terms, an M3 Bradley CFV without the 25mm and TOW).

To be fair, the Hetzer was derived itself from the Czech Pz-38t (t = Tzech in German), developed just before Czechoslovakia was overrun and dismembered by Germany (with help from Hungary and Russia). The Germans used the Pzr 38 light tank early in the war (better armor and weapons than a Panzer 2), and kept the chassis in production and development through the war - the factories were churning them out and they worked fine.

In addition to the Hetzer, the chassis carried SP AA guns, SP artillery and SPAT (some versions of Marder). Katzchen was another derivation.

Uncle Ted

[unkated]

Anyone doing a WW2 campaign with T2k rulesets

Twilight1939 or Twilight1941

There was someone related to the Yahoo T2K group that was doing a Pacific WW2 campaign a while ago. I remember reading an AAR. You could probably find a link to the person there.

Uncle Ted

[StainlessSteelCynic]

To be fair, the Hetzer was derived itself from the Czech Pz-38t (t = Tzech in German), developed just before Czechoslovakia was overrun and dismembered by Germany (with help from Hungary and Russia). The Germans used the Pzr 38 light tank early in the war (better armor and weapons than a Panzer 2), and kept the chassis in production and development through the war - the factories were churning them out and they worked fine.

In addition to the Hetzer, the chassis carried SP AA guns, SP artillery and SPAT (some versions of Marder). Katzchen was another derivation.

Uncle Ted

Very similar story for the earlier LT vz35 AKA Pzr 35(t) although it never had the conversion desirability that the LT vz38 had. I reckon the Germans were probably put off by the pneumatic drive system and the engine heat getting into the crew compartment and figured it wasn't worth converting it further
Interestingly, a British company was looking for a production licence for the vz35 just before the Germans began their occupation of Czechoslovakia. Another interesting point, there was also a variant built for Afghanistan.

[pmulcahy11b]

Anyone doing a WW2 campaign with T2k rulesets

Twilight1939 or Twilight1941

I posted on my PDF page a PDF of a now-defunct site someone did on WWII (and the Arab-Israeli Wars) in T2K v1 rules.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I posted on my PDF page a PDF of a now-defunct site someone did on WWII (and the Arab-Israeli Wars) in T2K v1 rules.

Could you tell me what the name of the pdf is please Paul I had a quick look but couldn't see anything that specifically stated WW2 or Arab-Israeli Wars.

[ArmySGT.]

What is the rule system(s) for statting out vehicles

What are the pertinent rules and formulas for building the stats for various vehicles for the V1 and 2.2 systems any way As much as people come over here asking for stats on weapons and vehicles seems like some tutorials are I order.