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  • #16
    I had a girlfriend who stopped carrying pepper spray after it failed on her. Some scumbag jumped the counter where she was working and she sprayed him. That didn't stop him. However the hardwood and brass cane she used to help her walk doubled as a very effective club. Especially since she was trained in medieval combat and was quite strong for her size.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by swaghauler View Post
      Do you find Pepper spray to be nearly useless against a determined perp too We had guys who used the stuff as Buffalo Wing seasoning....
      Did you see the video of the Canadian store owners, a pair of would-be robbers and a bear sized can of OC they hosed them down like they were on fire, and beat one like a drum. It was good to watch.....

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      • #18
        Originally posted by swaghauler View Post
        Do you find Pepper spray to be nearly useless against a determined perp too We had guys who used the stuff as Buffalo Wing seasoning....
        My experience with Pepper spray is that how it affects people very from person to person. In the academy we had one guy who it was like water on him, a different one totally out of the fight. If it was up to me and I had to have a ranged less lethal I want a Tazer.

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        • #19
          Oh YES!

          Originally posted by CDAT View Post
          My experience with Pepper spray is that how it affects people very from person to person. In the academy we had one guy who it was like water on him, a different one totally out of the fight. If it was up to me and I had to have a ranged less lethal I want a Tazer.
          Never have I seen that not work when it hits. Being trained in its use is not laughs I do not think I will ever forget the effects.
          Tis better to do than to do not.
          Tis better to act than react.
          Tis better to have a battery of 105's than not.
          Tis better to see them afor they see you.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by .45cultist View Post
            Did you see the video of the Canadian store owners, a pair of would-be robbers and a bear sized can of OC they hosed them down like they were on fire, and beat one like a drum. It was good to watch.....
            Under Canadian Law OC or personel defence spray is illegal to owe. However Bear Spray is fine
            I will not hide. I will not be deterred nor will I be intimidated from my performing my duty, I am a Canadian Soldier.

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            • #21
              The last time I did NBC training, there was a guy in the class who was immune to CS gas.
              The gas in the chamber was particularly intense- even most of us who had one the course before were finding the exercises where you unmask at the end almost impossible. One guy then bet the staff he could walk the length of the chamber without his mask.
              The staff assumed he meant to hold his breath, so to teach him a lesson they held the doors shut. We looked in the windows and he was smiling, talking away, moving about freely... weird.
              I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                Under Canadian Law OC or personel defence spray is illegal to owe. However Bear Spray is fine
                It was better than the thieves' switchblades, as a bonus the PD said no charges for the owners, the two thieves won a stupid prize, hope they collected.
                Everyone has given a lot of data to sort through, thanks! Maybe a couple more good things can come from this. BTW, after Sep. 11, 2001 there was an amnesty for non violent minor offenders in KCMo. A minor detail that could come in handy for city campaigns.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by LT. Ox View Post
                  Never have I seen that not work when it hits. Being trained in its use is not laughs I do not think I will ever forget the effects.
                  I've taken "The 5 second ride" in training. We all did. It was a point of pride to do it. If your older or have a weak bladder I'd suggest emptying it before you do. We had one guy from the County Jail who couldn't live that down. My partner Chris got nicknamed "Chewy" because he sounded just like a Wookie when they tased him. The only thing that came close to being tased was when I got "flashbanged" playing a perp during a force-on-force exercise. It takes about 20 to 30 seconds to recover from that. Even the CS gas in basic doesn't equate to the misery a taser can dish out. Stunguns are poor cousins to Tasers. Your skin is a good insulator; So an attacker with a stungun has to strike you on a "pain compliant/pressure point" location to really cause you enough pain to stop your action. I found the belly button, back of knee, back of neck, elbow, groin or armpit to be the only really effective "stun points" using a stungun. A taser works everywhere on the body. I have also NEVER seen someone knocked unconscious by a stungun. A taser can do that (especially if the perp falls and hit's their head). It took me a GOOD five seconds to get up after the tasing. Getting the barbs taken out of you isn't fun either...exactly the same as having a fishhook removed....

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                    Under Canadian Law OC or personel defence spray is illegal to owe. However Bear Spray is fine
                    Similarly stun guns and tazers are illegal for civilians to buy and own here, but cattle prods are just farm equipment - and I suspect would seriously ruin someone's day if they were hit with one.
                    sigpic "It is better to be feared than loved" - Nicolo Machiavelli

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                    • #25
                      Not really powerful enough to my understanding - feel a little like bumping your elbow really hard. Not nice, but certainly not very debilitating.
                      If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

                      Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

                      Mors ante pudorem

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Targan View Post
                        Similarly stun guns and tazers are illegal for civilians to buy and own here, but cattle prods are just farm equipment - and I suspect would seriously ruin someone's day if they were hit with one.
                        Back in '75 me and my sister got into a fight, and she found out how much fun the electric prod was.....

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                        • #27
                          Yeah cattle prods can give you a bit of a shock, I learnt from personal experience.
                          No it's not like a tazer but it's enough to startle you and make muscles spasm - animal hide is tough enough to warrant a fair bit of juice in the prod!

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