Favorite Infantry-Portable Fire Support Weapon

[Raellus]

Why not

[Matt Wiser]

Ma Deuce....no questions asked.

[CDAT]

Ma Deuce....no questions asked.

I agree with this.

[CDAT]

So a question for the people who are picking the Mk. 19. Do you have any real experience with it If so were you able to get LSA Oil for it If so how

[ArmySGT.]

RPG-7

Truly under rated. Accuracy problems are really due to the ammuntion itself.

Reloadable and the sights are easy to swap. Night vision capable (Gen2) or daylight scopes with x3, and x6, and I hear x8 variable power. Sights with tritium inserts too for near darkness.

Easy to train on.

Ammunition types are astounding. HEAT, HE, HE-Frag, Illum, Thermobaric, smoke, and tandem charges.

Motor for the rockets can be swapped out in the field by the gunners, as motors and warheads are separate in the packaging. High speed, but short ranged motors for urban and close terrain with fleeting targets as an option. Low speed, but longer ranged motors for defense or attack in more open terrain.

HEAT warheads can and have been manufactured in garage shops with 40mm to 100+mm and piezo electric base fuzed warheads.

The hip pocket artillery of the light infantry with one to two per squad.

[bobcat]

So a question for the people who are picking the Mk. 19. Do you have any real experience with it If so were you able to get LAW Oil for it If so how

i don't think i've ever had the lube i was supposed to use for anything i've been issued. but i still love the Mk 19. its almost as good as momma for direct fire and it do some real damage fired with a high angle.

[CDAT]

i don't think i've ever had the lube i was supposed to use for anything i've been issued. but i still love the Mk 19. its almost as good as momma for direct fire and it do some real damage fired with a high angle.

I was just wondering, as we could never keep ours from jamming, three rounds was the best we ever got be fore it jammed. We were told it was because we were using the wrong lube, as we could not get the lube, we found it to be less than useful, great idea, but practice was left lacking.

[bobcat]

I was just wondering, as we could never keep ours from jamming, three rounds was the best we ever got be fore it jammed. We were told it was because we were using the wrong lube, as we could not get the lube, we found it to be less than useful, great idea, but practice was left lacking.

LSA works decent, CLP doesn't work for Mark or Mamma. just make sure you get a few things of the older RBC for cleaning it same as with Mamma.
and now i have an idea for a sidequest for a campaign involving stockpiles of old maintenance supplies to get LSA and RBC for the heavy weapons.

[CDAT]

LSA works decent, CLP doesn't work for Mark or Mamma. just make sure you get a few things of the older RBC for cleaning it same as with Mamma.
and now i have an idea for a sidequest for a campaign involving stockpiles of old maintenance supplies to get LSA and RBC for the heavy weapons.

CLP worked great on our Ma Duce, it ran like a champ. We had one Mk. 19, one M2HB, and one M240 for the platoon, almost all the time left the Mk. 19 as it just would not work (was brand new, so we think it was the CLP), but everything else worked just great.

[Legbreaker]

Seems absolutely criminal for the correct lubricant to be withheld. When lives are on the line I'd have thought this would be as critical as food, water and ammo!

[CDAT]

Seems absolutely criminal for the correct lubricant to be withheld. When lives are on the line I'd have thought this would be as critical as food, water and ammo!

I do not think that it was being withheld, my understanding is that it was more that it is not in the Army inventory, it was built for the Navy, and made for working in/around the water.

[Legbreaker]

The problem has existed for years I believe. It is certainly at least incompetency by those who are supposed to ensure the soldiers get what they actually need.

[ArmySGT.]

I have an unending burning hatred for the Mk-19 AGL.

I would pay good money to kick the guy in the balls that accepted that thing for Army service.

Stuck with them frequently as an MP.

In 1990 I had an M60...... by 95 we had Mk-19s and a SAW. Both severely lack in my experience.

The ammo cans were 48 rounds in 1990, later reduced to 32 rounds so smaller statured people could load the gun.

It takes a good deal of upper body strength to charge the weapon (two pulls of the charging handles. Most females and a few males could not do it.

I have a video on another PC from a range at Ft. Riley...... Fam fire for the HQ platoon..... The range safeties have to charge the Mk-19 for the tiny filipina supply clerk so she can blast 32 rounds out at the 600 meter targets.

Absolutely shit on Patrol...... If your engaged in a close ambush, either the rounds are not going to arm (17 meters) or your danger close for your own ammo.... Add a high fire rate.. if it doesn't jam after 3-5 round, then your gun is empty real quick.

The fucking thing makes it a bitch to turn the turret. Most of the time the Team Leader and the Driver are pushing and pulling to help the gunner get the turret around..... This only got worse as gun shields, then later rear and side armor was added. I hear there is an electric motor now, wasn't in 2005 when I got out on MP gun trucks.

Never had a problem getting the LSAT (white snot) but, the shit is so thin and runny in hot weather we left the gun dry. In the Desert we left the guns dry and a light coat of CLP to be able to lock it back....... then squirt in LSAT from the big white tooth paste tube when engaged or about to engage.

The alternative was white lithium grease which stayed in place versus LSAT and collected less dirt than LSAT.

otherwise that fucking boat anchor collected sand (not grit) in huge quantities through all the god damn holes machined in the sides for the dual changing handles and the bottom ejection port.

The ROE prevented us from using the damn things on anything we could not identify positively with Binos or the AN/TVS-5. So having a 2200 meter effective range means not a god damn thing.

Honestly, the fucking guns rode on the turret because the CO and the BC drank the koolaid...... the guns actually had five rounds and an empty can. We engaged close ambushes with a SAW or floored it and got the convoy the fuck outta dodge. We did get the M2HB returned to us in the form of one per squad..... So patrols or convoy escorts were three gun trucks with x2 Mk-19s and one M2HB...... the M2HB was always the middle truck, that way it could support either the lead or the trail.

I would happily slag that piece of shit with a thermite grenade at any give chance.

*edit* Basic load of ammo for an MP gun truck in the 90's was 10 cans of HEDP for the MK-19. This was reduced to 4-6 in 2003. So at one time you had 480 rounds of HEDP in an unarmored M1025/M1026, later 132-168 rounds of HEDP in an M1025 or M114. This in addition to all the other things that will sympathetically detonate if you roll over a mine, or take a IED in the rear passenger doors..... Like an AT-4, all the grenades in an ammo can on the center deck, etc.

[LT. Ox]

and now we KNOW

Thanks Army SGT.
I voted for the 60 but then I like indirect support and I like it where I can get it NOW!

[pmulcahy11b]

I picked the M2HB simply because I'm most familiar with it. But the times I got to fire the Mk 19 were fun times...and the couple of times I got to fire the M202A1 were really lots of fun.